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#16 Sweeney367

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 09:02 AM

How do lorry drivers get past having the actual vehicles plate on the front of a truck, and a plate with their name on it on the windscreen when it comes to ANPR?


Lester how much they set you back? You got a link?

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 09:23 AM

ANPR scans everything upto 1 metre above the ground therefore plates on truck or car dashboards are disregarded.
That is also the reason why it's illegal to put car ones there instead of the correct position.
I find quite often that car dealers get pulled due to them throwing their traders plates on the dash rather than attaching them properly.
Technically their trader plates should cover the standard plates or their traders insurance doesn't cover the vehicle.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 02:53 PM

Yeah this is the link on 30 pound http://www.ebay.co.u...=item257cc08575

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:50 PM

They cant read land rover defenders rear plate either.



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Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:53 PM

In the UK it's actually illegal to not have the plates fitted correctly.
Resting on the dash is not allowed but does seem to be ignored.

I know of many that have drove like this for years, but I know a few who have had fines too.  :huh:



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 03:03 PM

according to the BS rules numberplates have to be made from a retroreflecting material and metal is not classed as so even if painted, so the bs mark cannot be put on the plates hence illegal, if they were legal we would sell them, metal plates only allowed on cars before 1.1.1973, also domed letters on a plate are also illegal because they are not an intrigal part of the plate,only stuck on and they could be removed and miss represented, carbon effect letters are ok if they are 51% black and built into the plate and of course charles write font.



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:24 PM

Ive lifted this from another forum, this debate been going on years. has the law been changed since this to make these now illegal as they seem pretty sure the are 100% legal.

 

As promised here is details of correspondence ive had with Dubmeister regarding these plates.
Paul from dubmeister has been most helpful and I’m sure you will find the following interesting and pleasing smile.gif (I have highlighted some important points).

Our plates have been developed with a large plate manufacturer that supplies for example official Netherlands plates and serves other countries and manufactures to many differing standards world wide.. They don't have to be tested by BSI, just be designed to comply, and actually comply if tested, and this is what we have done.

The BSAU 145d regulation has been finely gone through by our manufacturer and relevant sections have be exceeded or met, including a section specifically designed to exclude metal plates, which necessitated a subtle exclusive redesign of the metal base plate and different material to 'regular' Euro show plates, as well as altered letter tooling and lastly permanent laser marking of supplier info and maker info and the standard they are made to.

They have been fully tested by our manufacturer and pre tested against the BS145d standard by the German DIN institute – (in case any major flaws we hadn’t picked up on), who have set up testing environments for BSAU145d now, are testing and will award a certificate to this effect on completion.

We are fully satisfied they comply or exceed BSAU145d and have been told by a British Standards institute they can be marked as such if we are sure they comply by cross referencing DIN regs that duplicate/exceed sections of BS145d and amendments we have made, and they offered additional help if we needed, which we don't.

No UK authority has the knowledge or means to test plates other than British Standard Institute. No Police or local authority can challenge a user as they are marked correctly as to comply, and that’s the end of it as far as prosecution of the user.
If they want to test them they would have to send off to BSI and pay the £6000 to £15,000 fee...and result would be they pass anyway.

Our dealers/suppliers take proper relevant driver/vehicle ID which is a major part of plates being legal, correct lettering and physical plate spec alone is not sufficient as prevention of vehicle cloning is probably the main issue in 'illegal' plates and prosecutions.

So, we welcome any test to disprove our claim, which is that they do 100% fully comply when supplied by a DVLA registered licence plate supplier.

Paul also commented:

It was a long battle, we had to convince the German blank maker it was worth their while helping us, but they put a lot of R & D into it, and it was lucky they work with the DIN people on testing so closely. A £30,000 investment in laser marking was the final step..
Finished result is pleasing though...

If members of the forum are happy to mail in their legal docs (special delivery is best) we can return then safe with the plates they are entitled to, by guaranteed next day post (24hr turnaround)


 



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 05:40 PM

My focus came from ford fitted with steel pressed plates the hoonigan's
Perhaps when they say " Show Room Condition" they can't be questioned over the legality of the reg plates, because show plates are not road legal ;)

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:01 PM

I was discussing this subject with a Traffic Officer today and his definitive answer is British plates must have the BSAU 145d mark displayed or it or else it is not acceptable on the road.
Metal plates are a no-no.
Font type, size and spacing must comply and the only logos accepted are either the standard GB EU logo or GB with regional logos (such as yorkshire rose, welsh dragon, Cornish cross etc).
Car manufacturer logos (Ford, Vaux##ll, BMW etc)are not permitted

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:19 PM

I was discussing this subject with a Traffic Officer today and his definitive answer is British plates must have the BSAU 145d mark displayed or it or else it is not acceptable on the road.
Metal plates are a no-no.
Font type, size and spacing must comply and the only logos accepted are either the standard GB EU logo or GB with regional logos (such as yorkshire rose, welsh dragon, Cornish cross etc).
Car manufacturer logos (Ford, Vaux##ll, BMW etc)are not permitted

 

Oops...



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:21 PM

 
Oops...


Logos?

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:37 PM

Logos?

 

Possibly... Zetec S logo on my ZS and the ST logo on my ST lol.



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:54 PM

Tbh you probably won't get a problem.
Most Police forces are so short of resources that minor things like logos will be overlooked.
As long as your plates are ANPR readable you should be alright.
I can't guarantee this though.

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:06 PM

What's the fine for it if I get pulled? £30 and present myself at an MOT station with tail between legs?



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:36 PM

Usually £60 and a rectification chit that is stamped by an MOT garage then taken to a local Station.
If the offence is passed to DVLA or you go to court it can be up to £1000.
If it is a non compliant personalised plate then DVLA can withdraw the registration mark.

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