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nick172sport

Range Rover Driver Fears For His Life

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I'm up to three minutes and gripped! holy crackers! That is just insane!

I can understand his fear, but surely getting out, and apologising, checking everyone is OK has to be better than what he did! However, the problem is the bikers started to smack his car about, so I can fully understand the reason (now after reading the Mail Report) why he ran, his wife and kid are in a car being beaten to hell, smashed windows and all the rest...

Words escape me... I dont know who I sympathise with the most at the moment... I personally feel more in support of the driver, I think unfortunately, he ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time. Clearly this event should have been policed much more thoroughly, but as its now been banned, I cant see it being a problem again...

Edited by jeebowhite
updating after reading the mail article...
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What a crazy video! :o I've just had a watch and tried to catch up with this story. So apparently it all started when the range rover clipped one of the biker's rear tyres? I mean, if that's the case it seems like they massively over reacted? As you say maybe he should have just got out and apologised etc but maybe he felt a little intimidated due to the vast number of the bikers!?

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well we were reviewing it in the office, myself and a few colleagues, one of which was a biker. Recon that the video starts in after something has happened.

I suspect personally, perhaps the guy pulled out on one or something small (minor traffic offense) peeved the instigator off. As more and more bikes catch up, unaware of anything that is going on, I recon one or two just saw him clip the bike, a few words exchanged, a few hot headed bikers take there tantrums out inappropriately on the car. More bikes turn up "this guy just hit that guys bike"... Bikers get hot headed, more get aggressive, he gets scared and drives off.

now those are just how I read the scenario, hopefully the official investigation determines the root cause, but I have to say, with a child in the car, a wife, and a gang of already proven aggressive attackers, I would truly struggle to disagree with the guy's actions.

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well we were reviewing it in the office, myself and a few colleagues, one of which was a biker. Recon that the video starts in after something has happened.

I suspect personally, perhaps the guy pulled out on one or something small (minor traffic offense) peeved the instigator off. As more and more bikes catch up, unaware of anything that is going on, I recon one or two just saw him clip the bike, a few words exchanged, a few hot headed bikers take there tantrums out inappropriately on the car. More bikes turn up "this guy just hit that guys bike"... Bikers get hot headed, more get aggressive, he gets scared and drives off.

now those are just how I read the scenario, hopefully the official investigation determines the root cause, but I have to say, with a child in the car, a wife, and a gang of already proven aggressive attackers, I would truly struggle to disagree with the guy's actions.

Yeah I think it's difficult to say unless you were actually there but I'd imagine being in the same situation with family in the car etc, it would be difficult to not do what he did?

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Definately agree. The main problem is, regardless of the bikers actions after he pulled up, his petrified response of driving off and hitting the bikers would be all that any biker, anywhere in that group would have seen. Everyone knows 'that guy' drove over a load of them, and thats all they think about.

I hope they broadcast the outcome of this, though I very much doubt it.

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Unless something happened before the camera was rolling, its the bikes fault for hitting the anchors for no reason, he had wife and small child on board and after being attacked done what anyone of us would do to protect our family, sorry but if it was me there would of being more carnage as I would of pushed anything out of my way and headed for the nearest police station for them to sort out, No one would get out to confront a 100+ bikers that had half a brain especially as it was pretty clear they didnt want to buy you a drink. I love bikes but this type of reaction to something they or at least one started only tarnishes there reputation. All of the bikers in that vid need prosecuting and there bikes destroyed, its one thing following so they can flag police down etc, its a different story acting like a pack of wolves and intimidating a very scared family. thats my opinion.

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Unless something happened before the camera was rolling, its the bikes fault for hitting the anchors for no reason, he had wife and small child on board and after being attacked done what anyone of us would do to protect our family, sorry but if it was me there would of being more carnage as I would of pushed anything out of my way and headed for the nearest police station for them to sort out, No one would get out to confront a 100+ bikers that had half a brain especially as it was pretty clear they didnt want to buy you a drink. I love bikes but this type of reaction to something they or at least one started only tarnishes there reputation. All of the bikers in that vid need prosecuting and there bikes destroyed, its one thing following so they can flag police down etc, its a different story acting like a pack of wolves and intimidating a very scared family. thats my opinion.

I think you're right about getting out and confronting that many of them. Like you say I think the most sensible thing would have been to either drive straight to a police station or for a sensible biker to follow the car to give details of location etc to police.

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As said before we don't know what went on before the camera was on, but the bikers definitely over reacted - it looks like a genuine accident.

As for the driver I can understand what he did, I mean who would want to get out and face a load of angry bikers?

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I've watched the original video, the video showing apparently what happened after the smashed his windscreen in the streets of Manhattan, and then a video today of the earlier activities of some of the bikers and a Toyota Prius. Excuse the small essay below :rolleyes:

I'm in two minds:

On the one hand you have a bunch of bikers seemingly deliberately slowing car drivers down to allow their fellow bikers to pass etc. Driving their bikes in what one could say is an irresponsible way. The driver of the Range Rover, has reacted to a situation he felt threatened himself and his family. I'd be hard pressed to find anyone who won't resort to a primal defensive instinct if he/she felt that their family was in immediate danger. And lets not forget the U.S. is a country where individual states have laws such as "Stand your Ground" which basically allows you to kill someone if you feel your life is in danger (search Trayvon Martin for example). Please note I am not condoning or advocating the subsequent reaction of the Range Rover Driver.

On the other hand I read something today about a 90/10 rule. Whereby we control 90% of what happens to us, whereas 10% is out of our hands. In this instance, the Range Rover driver be stuck amongst a sea of bikers who may or may not have been driving recklessly and acting in an intimidating manner is the 10%. He had no control of this. But what he had control over is his REACTION to this event. Could he have simply locked his doors and windows and called the police after the alleged incident which caused them to initially surround his vehicle. Could he have tried his best to ignore the bikers and let them drive off. Could he have taken an alternate route. You could argue that as a result of his actions which he had control over, things escalated to the state they are now.

As for the bikers same rule applies. Couldn't they have reacted differently. On the one hand we have emerging footage that some of the bikers had been involved in earlier incidents of violence towards car drivers. We have the very dangerous and intimidating driving post the Range Rover driving through and over some bikers, which then culminated in the vicious assault in Manhattan and the videos of bikers stamping on the driver as he lay on the road. Shockingly its being revealed some of these bikers were actually police officers.

On the flip side, the bikers say they feared for their lives and who wouldn't with a massive Range Rover mowing down your friends. Tempers flares, violence happens.

But the end result either way is a biker has serious injuries as a result of being hit by a Range Rover. A driver has serious injuries after being assaulted. A wife and a baby are probably distressed by the whole event. And the annual bike event has apparently been cancelled for the foreseeable future.

Madness.

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How it all started appears largely in question, and I won't comment on that without knowing the full story - but what struck me is the solidarity of the bikers! You don't see such a thing with car drivers as we all plod along in our own metal boxes!

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Remind anyone of Mad Max?

Not enough info to apportion blame but clearly the SUV driver is scared witless and just trying to get away after whatever happened to start this.

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Just to comment on one aspect of it - its amazing how our perspective changes because of the editing done by the biker cutting out the bits he did not want you to see - biasing it towards the bikers perspective

The other thing is the USA is very different from the UK - we look at the incident through UK eyes - people don't carry guns here/ laws are completely different etc eg - it would be less likely the Range Rover driver would be in fear of his life if the same thing happened in the UK

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Lucky for the RR driver they were ordinary bikers (trail bikes, standard road bikes etc) and not a back-patch gang, or the outcome would have been very different.

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