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#1 DanGersFord

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 09:20 AM

http://news.sky.com/...ould-rise-to-18

Personally I think it's a bad idea. Personally I think they should change it so that you have to do the equivalent of a minimum of 1 hour long lesson a week for a year and a half. This would give young drivers a range of experience driving in different conditions day/night wet, dry, cold and icy conditions and give them a good base experience to build from. The fact that you can pass your test after just 10 lessons is quite frankly a joke.
Also I think for the first 2 years ANY new driver should have to have a black box installed and be limited to driving cars that are 1.3l or below. By that I mean new drivers of any age.

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 09:22 AM

Also its about time you should have to do a certain amount of driving on motorways/country roads as part of your lessons/test

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 09:40 AM

Its a good start, but its not enough. I agree with your thoughts, max engine size, black box tracking (should at least help insurance for most young drivers), limited driving hours of the day (or fee's for driving at night 'cos I can'), Pass Plus should be built into the driving instructor curriculum as standard, and not optional as this gives you some experience.

 

I personally like the Ford Driving Course thing that they do for free, where you can get the experience, I would suggest that something of that nature should certainly be offered, even as a chargeable service by many others but deemed mandatory and reasonably priced. If you fail, you cant get your license. Simples.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:07 AM

I'm not a fan of the restricted driving times I mean there's alot of young people work night shift for example

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:08 AM

I have been driving for many years and I can honestly say that although I passed my test I am still learning in the sense that I still make the occasional error of judgement and I learn from that. I suppose that the old saying 'don't drive faster than your guardian angel can fly' is still the best advice!!! As for the new proposals - they are clearly a move in the right direction.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:22 AM

I think they're penalising young drivers though. Any new driver are lacking experience at the moment and are more likely cause an accident. A minimum amount of lessons would help rectify this problem. It took me a year and a half of lessons before I went for my test and even though I physically knew how to drive after the first 9-10 lessons the experience only came after the extended time physically driving. I think one thing the government realy need to look at is older drivers. There's quite simply some people who are too old (ie have too many health problems/slower reaction times, sometimes starting to become confused) I think there should be an age limit on a licence of say 65-70 either that or regular competence tests say every five years to make sure everyone is competent enough to be driving

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 12:12 PM

I think jeebo already mentioned it, passplus should be a part of the driving lessons/test package. Raising the age won't make a difference and I cannot see the curfew being made into law. You cannot discriminate against men by giving women cheaper insurance (EU law), therefore it will be challenged you cannot discriminate against younger people by restricting what times they can and cannot go on the road. I'm not a fan of the black boxes either tbh a little too big brother snooping for my liking.

 

Compared to when I passed my test 13 years ago, it has definitely gotten harder to pass, but theres needs to definitely be a requirement to have instructed driving on A roads, dual carriageways and motorways, and possibly a discount on advanced driving course to tempt new drivers.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 12:14 PM

Part of the problem is instructors teach learners to pass a test not to necessarily drive well

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 01:20 PM

agree with that sentiment Dan, I think its for young drivers own safety though. Passing your test and darting out the same night on country roads in the dark, your asking for trouble, which is why I would suggest that if you work lates, then your insurance 'excuses' the late driving, but if your driving after (say 9pm) then you get a fine (I am not talking £60 and three points - I'm talking a 'your only young, you need to gain the confidence, but were trying to desuade you from drink driving and killing yourself' fine so like an up to £10 charge.

 

If they are on black box insurance, driving sensibly and have low premiums, then its not going to affect them, but the boy racers who knock 4000G's going round country roads....

 

I just think that sort of system combined with a 'tiered' driving license system (as they do on Bike's) - For example (I am no expert, so dont shoot me if I get it wrong!)

 

At 17, you can get a license, you can ride a moped, or a restricted motorbike. This restriction sits on you for (perhaps) a couple of years? after that, you can apply for and complete a full bike license, which then opens up your 200cc bike or whatever to be a 3 liter Ninja bike if you want it!

 

What I am saying is that perhaps car licenses should be the same.

 

- Learners / Provisional License - Current restrictions apply, no driving alone, all insurance, fully insured and certified driver blah blah

- New Drivers License - You just passed your test - congratulations - you can drive, but limited hours to be safe, and limited engine (no 2.0 Turbo Diesel vauxhall for your first motor!)

- Intermediate License - You have completed Pass Plus and X other certifications, you should be more than competent, so you are now restricted to a bigger engine, and less of a curfew / no curfew blah blah

- Full Drivers License - You have driven for a minimum of (say) 2 years, you should be more than confident, you have driven a minimum number of miles, and you are no longer a danger to every man, woman, child, dog or goldfish on the road. You dont need a black box in the car and you can now buy a DB7, or a Vanquish.

 

Whilst most of that could be "managed" by the insurer monitoring the black box, the only real 'problem' for the police, is tying in the license type to the car being driven. And if they see a DB7 being driven by a spotty teenager, then they can pull them, maybe fine and/or points if it was deemed appropriate, but otherwise the 'fine' imposed by the insurer would be enough to dissuade most of their customers on the 'upcoming' licenses to stick to the rules.

 

Only my thoughts.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 01:55 PM

I think there has been some good thoughts here. I don't think we should specifically penalise young drivers but I do think some sort of control is needed on new/inexperienced drivers.

 

I agree with the black box for the first two years and some sort of restriction in terms of engine size/power. I would imagine the best way would be bhp/tonne? Also with the black box thing there would need to be some pretty decent incentives to keep it after the 2 years of people would just think 'I can't wait to get to that day so I can rip out my black box and drive around like so sort of nut case!'  :lol:

 

Also agree that motorway and night time experience etc needs to be mandatory in lessons/test and to be honest I can't believe that still hasn't been implemented!  :angry:



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 03:09 PM

Motorway driving is not included in the standard test as not everyone has easy access.
Someone in Lands End would have to drive all the way to Exeter to reach one and take about 3 hours to do so.

I think there should be an insurance incentive system whereby new drivers for the first three years can qualify for a cashback style payment of say 25% if during each insurance year they have no 'at fault' accidents or instances of pulls/cautions/prosecutions by the Police.
A bit of cash in their pockets at the end of the year or the ability to subsidise their next years insurance would be a nice tempting goal.

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 03:13 PM

Motorway driving is not included in the standard test as not everyone has easy access.
Someone in Lands End would have to drive all the way to Exeter to reach one and take about 3 hours to do so.

I think there should be an insurance incentive system whereby new drivers for the first three years can qualify for a cashback style payment of say 25% if during each insurance year they have no 'at fault' accidents or instances of pulls/cautions/prosecutions by the Police.
A bit of cash in their pockets at the end of the year or the ability to subsidise their next years insurance would be a nice tempting goal.

 

Sounds like a great plan but I can't see money grabbing insurance companies going for it though  :(



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 03:31 PM

unfortunately thats the problem, it would be due to us (the little people) to try and change the giants opinions, and the only people big enough to do that sit in Guy Fawkes' target, and to be fair, some of their policies and behaviors up there are for not much more than to sit on and keep Guy's stash warm.

 

I truely think that if they could implement something of our discussion here, it would make life a lot safer for these new people themselves, as well as those on the road in their path. The problem is though, one insurer wont make a change, because they know they will push people into someone elses arms...



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:07 PM

Also I think for the first 2 years ANY new driver should have to have a black box installed and be limited to driving cars that are 1.3l or below. By that I mean new drivers of any age.

 

If there's a limit, it needs to be on bhp, or even bhp/tonne.

A 1.6 TDCi focus can produce just 90bhp, in a 1300kg or so body.

A brand new Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost can produce 125bhp in a much lighter body.

 

I know which one I'd rather have!!



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:23 PM

Nearest motorway to me is 270 miles and an hour/hour and a half boat journey away  ;)



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