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#16 jeebowhite

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 04:34 PM

very true, its one of those that is difficult to enforce though - how would the average Joe know these stats buying a motor from a corner shop seller?



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#17 DanGersFord

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:23 PM

Motorway driving is not included in the standard test as not everyone has easy access.
Someone in Lands End would have to drive all the way to Exeter to reach one and take about 3 hours to do so.
I think there should be an insurance incentive system whereby new drivers for the first three years can qualify for a cashback style payment of say 25% if during each insurance year they have no 'at fault' accidents or instances of pulls/cautions/prosecutions by the Police.
A bit of cash in their pockets at the end of the year or the ability to subsidise their next years insurance would be a nice tempting goal.

The problem is greedy insurance companies will never go for it, they love younger drivers because the can pretty much charge what they want for them. I remember my first car, a 1.2 corsa (hangs head in shame) only cost me £450 and it cost me £1300 to insure it and that was only 3rd party, fire and theft. So even I'd had an accident my car wouldn't have been covered. The biggest thing that put me off driving like an idiot at that age was the fear of getting 6points within my first 2 years and losing my licence. To be honest I think new drivers should have to have a blackbox fitted with a reward system in place for careful driving ie an email every month with green, amber or red indicating how well you've driven that month, if you get 3-4 red warnings withing the two years you should have to resit your test, amber warnings that add to your premium the more of them you get and discounts for every month you get a green alert or money of fuel vouchers or something. As others have said a restriction on bhp/torque on cars and also a minimum of a year and a halfs worth of driving lessons, IMO would reduce premiums/the number of accidents involving young drivers dramatically. Aswel as keeping the 6points in 2 years and you lose your licence system in place

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:23 PM

I think that everyone should be able to drive when and where they like.

But I do think that all drivers should get some experience of ice, wet and fast driving.

 

I passed back in the 90s before the written test. Still I prob won't pass the written test now :-( 

A restriction to engine size for under 21 say is good, just like a motorbike.

 

But that's my opinion.

 

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:09 PM

I think some of these are alright ideas - but they are all nearly impossible to introduce!

 

I drove my mums 1.2 punto for about a year when I passed

Then I got a job which required a fair bit of driving - so at 18 yrs old I got a 1.8 focus and have now covered nearly 20k, including driving home from work sometimes later than 11PM (plus some social driving even later)  + driving work vans

 

so far (fingers crossed/touch wood and all that!) iv had no tickets or incidents

 

 

When im looking at all these possible rules I think they're good to reduce the trouble that some new drivers get in - but I cant help thinking how much of a nightmare it would be if they were in place when I passed!!

Put your selves in a new drivers position and try tell me you wouldn't hate it!!

 

 

 

And iv also got a bike licence through this new 2 part style and thought that id let you know that its totally killing motorcycle riding - new bike sales are down 70% since 2010, and I don't know a figure, but theres a tiny amount of new riders about now!!

 

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 08:03 AM

unfortunately i disagree with the new black boxes,

 

i was involved in the staffordshire pilot scheme for black boxes (fist council run scheme before insurance companies) it was free, totally voluntary and was for any driver of any age, i had box in my car for well over a year (my first year of driving) it didn't affect my insurance as they hadn't heard of such a thing at that time, i would drive at any time of day, speed, maneuvers whatever and this box would show me when i was doing something bad (or not advisable) by feedback of 3 Leds, the data was recorded and my parent, myself and the company running it could see what i was doing, (not where and when like todays black boxes which i think is wrong) we would have a monthly meeting where the drivers could speak to the local police, the owner of the company, victims or support groups and discuss the events they had done/seen etc

 

as a young driver i was shocked and embarrassed to be labelled a "bad" driver (not uncommon for a 18yr old) however this then changed me and i started to change my driving style,

 

the problems today is money, the new black box schemes are driven by money, so there is no reflection on the driver, the driver will be concerned about not incurring a fine, which doesn't teach them how to drive,

 

that black box was the best thing that i had taken part in, at the time i thought i was a good driver and wanted to go and just have a second opinion on how i drove, in terms of incentive, because i was the most improved driver (of my group) they gave me 20% off my next year insurance

 

the black boxes today are not for the drivers they are for the insurance companies to make money which is wrong



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Posted 12 October 2013 - 02:12 PM

driving lessons should cover all the basic driving conditions, i wonder how many young drivers take lessons and pass their test without ever driving in the dark? i agree somthing should be done to stop the 'i am invinsable attitude' of the young drivers once they have passed their test, i do not agree with black boxes as insurance companies can use it as an excuse not to pay out ( you were 3mph over the limit sir) restricting engine size is not the answer also as you can be as dangerous in a 1ltr as you can in a 3ltr, as my old instructer said once you pass your test you learn to drive, extending the basic driving test  would be a good idear as they could get a better idear of a pupil's attitude to driving, anybody who has an hgv licence like myself will remember the 4 hour test. whatever they decide will not please everybody but something has to done.



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Posted 12 October 2013 - 08:37 PM

Part of the problem is instructors teach learners to pass a test not to necessarily drive well

couldnt agree more :)



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Posted 12 October 2013 - 08:51 PM

Also I think for the first 2 years ANY new driver should have to have a black box installed and be limited to driving cars that are 1.3l or below. By that I mean new drivers of any age.


Do you realise how many Vauxhall corsa's that would create :lol:

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 11:19 PM

Do you realise how many Vauxhall corsa's that would create :lol:

You've just hit the problem on the head right there! The government should just forget all their plans and just ban corsas from the country, this single stroke would get rid of every idiot young driver on the road lol

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 04:44 AM

You've just hit the problem on the head right there! The government should just forget all their plans and just ban corsas from the country, this single stroke would get rid of every idiot young driver on the road lol

Ireland done that,
Only Vauxhall over here is an import, they sell as Opel over here,
Although I was in an astra coupé last week a 2006 and I must say I was slightly impressed.
First convert able I was ever in too but for a 1.6 petrol giving the weight of convertibles it fairly moved,

I also must confess I've just gotten my full licence last June at the age of 28
Had my provisional for six years and no lessons

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 07:53 AM

No lessons is good going Lenny, but you did just betray us with your Vauxhall talk :-P

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