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#46 wase16ll

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 07:08 PM

it IS happening from next February, what is in doubt is how far that test will go at that time....

VOSA will have been working on this for, at the least, weeks before the public got wind of it...i have no doubt there are a number of testers out there that have been given a heads up via the regular visits they get from VOSA reps, but untill the i's have been dotted and the t's crossed, no one is in the know.

if the procedure had already been decided, testers will already have all been notified via the MOT computerised network and the VOSA site updated the moment the announcment was made public.

VOSA quite clearly states on their site that updates on this new legislation will be forthcoming.

 

you can also expect that procedure to be changed/adapted as time goes on...like i said, chances are that garages will need to equip themselves which will always be given time to do so within an extended period...so chances are, the initial test in Feb wont go much beyond visual, its the following months you really need to watch out for.

 

this is not only a uk government/vosa drive, there will be increasing pressure fom many other powerful bodies to really tighten loopholes...including europe, health depts in all their guises and the car manufacturers themselves.

 

knowing VOSA as i do, i wouldnt be in the least bit suprised if they leave a gaping hole big enough for a supertanker to sail through...but that pressure might make a big difference this time especially as i said, they are about to become merged into a very powerful body.



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Posted 07 December 2013 - 07:09 PM

What about you take your car to a specialist company who remove them and do everything else ie remaps sevicing and all of that and you get the car mot'd there only and no where else? If they know it will fail an mot and if they do it all on the same site then what's the problem. If they know it's a fail then why would they do it in the first place?

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 07:16 PM

 

 

you can also expect that procedure to be changed/adapted as time goes on...like i said, chances are that garages will need to equip themselves which will always be given time to do so within an extended period...so chances are, the initial test in Feb wont go much beyond visual, its the following months you really need to watch out for.

 

 

 

Exactly my thought, feb is too soon for tester to equip them self in order to meet the standards. I 100% agree in the future it will be tested and be very hard to by pass but i don't agree in feb about any equipment testing of emissions and all that jazz



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Posted 07 December 2013 - 07:21 PM

agree with above



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Posted 07 December 2013 - 07:21 PM

the practice is illegal already, any company that chooses to knowingly pass a non complient car is risking a hell of a lot more than the few hundred quid they will earn from doing it...VOSA arent stupid and will be watching scams like that with a very eagle eye.

 

not sure what will happen with regards the law of offering the service, doubt very much a blind eye will continue to be turned though..but thats not VOSA matters

 

 

i really dont have a problem wih people doing this to their car, you have to lay the blame on flawed technology otherwise it wouldnt be so rife..there will always be people finding ways round it, good luck to them, but arts is correct, if ever you come to sell the car with system tampered with in whatever way, then your leaving yourself wide open for trouble.

 

 

the technology will improve, diesel engines are burning cleaner and cleaner all the time, the euro6 leg kicks in soon which will really force car manufacturers to get things right...cleaner the burn, the less problems you will get with a dpf



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Posted 07 December 2013 - 10:51 PM

Its not that bad. I'v worked at 3 different Mot stations. There so many differences in engines and models. Most of the time if we dont actualy see a DPF and exhuast looks unmodded. I let it pass. Simple.


Because at end of the day. We dont have time to look up all the the cars and dig into the history of every car & look at live data ect)

It's like my boss sweared to god my Diesal focus had a DPF. (it don't) (2000 TDDI)



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Posted 07 December 2013 - 11:45 PM

DPF isnt an mot testing item as yet, so pushing your luck a bit if they were failed for not being there....there is a rule to do with tampering that will effect emissions (i think) and obviously the cat tests plus where the tailpipe is situated...but no specific DPF.

 

and if vosa decides, for example, that plugging in is part of the test, then telling them you dont do it because you dont have time to faff about with that nonsense....then kiss your license to test goodbye



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Posted 07 December 2013 - 11:55 PM

then sadly the cost of Mot's will increase. Because time is money afterall, :mellow:



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Posted 08 December 2013 - 12:38 AM

that will depend on what they decide to do with regards to test procedure.

chances are they will supply any relevent information with regards to fitment etc of dpf of the specific vehicle being tested at the time when the vehicle is logged in, as they already do with other testable items that occasionly differ from the norm..

 

as it stands, the minimum time to carry out an mot is 36mins...cant see them making dpf tests charges higher than others...but who knows, they're the boss and either the garages comply or lose the license along with the investment and revenue that goes with it



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Posted 08 December 2013 - 02:59 AM

Alot of the data on emission machine aren't correct and is a guideline tbh. There are also no laws about what machines or what softwear versons are used.

Untill Cars connect diectly to VOSA via Dignostic port ect. There will always be loopholes and problems.

When i was younger i used to rebuild engine and work alot on 106/16Vs/Rallyes Not 1 Mot station i used knew that there was 3 Different 16V engines Verson's . with 4 versons of cats/different admission/exhuast & manifold cats ect)

I had a RS Turbo failed a Mot because of going over sound limit. They had engine listed as N/A 1.6 CHV because there Machine wasnt listed for the Turbo. (even tho cars been around for 20 years). They just passed me on the spot.

There tons of laws that can't be held too like the stock WRX that dont have Projectors from factory(bmw and audi also). Yet because they fit them too new other models without washers. We can't fail them and disagress with a customer about who bolted them on when the factory are still doing it.

What about engines that been transplanted from other cars into older body/chassis ? its endless possabiltys.

End of the day. Aslong as tester is fair and reasonable. There is no need to treaten to report them ect lol.

i have a bus go past my house pouring black smoke out of it for about 3 hours of a night with not a soul on it. public transport are the ones who need a kick up the butt.when it comes to admissions.

 



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Posted 08 December 2013 - 12:49 PM

there are minimum requirements etc on all equipment used for testing, they also need calibration/servicing certificates as appropiate..so dont understand your point

not sure what you mean by emission data either....vosa sets  max limits depending on year of manufacture, no matter what the car is...thats all the data you need to know.

unless your talking about the deeper test once it failed the initial emission figures...in which case if engine isnt listed, go for nearest one and report it to machine manufacturer..only a software issue...still has to beat the max limit anyway.

 

headlight laws with projectors are a farce anyway...that will get sorted sooner or later but you will always get a few that will be different from the norm...VOSA arent out to trip you up, as you said, do an honest test and bring the matter up with the rep for future reference.

 

public transport have to comply like everyone else, go through a test like everyone else...like i said, in London they have recently invested millions in retro fitting DPF which goes way beyond min test requirements....but just like everyone else, an mot is at point of test, could be passed, driven 100yds down the road, blow something that will cause it to billow out harmful pollutents, yet do nothing and carry on driving for a year till the next test...

 

lets all wait and see what happens, in the meantime, all everyone is saying is if you remove your DPF then your risking blowing your money and risking much bigger expense in getting it reinstalled..thats it...



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Posted 08 December 2013 - 03:11 PM

i feel like your taking the matter too seriously. End of the day it's up to the mot tester not the customer.

Some of new bmw have full Engine floor covers that cover the whole DPF units hidden away on the manifold.. most Mot stations use pits not engine lifts so can i image how hard it will be to see.

For first few months or year the mot stations wont be massively strict on it. But they will in the future. Same as De-cats.



 



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Posted 08 December 2013 - 08:20 PM

not taking it seriously at all mate, wont affect me in the slightest as i dont own anything with a dpf and never will...but i have customers that could get dragged into it....but thats down to them as i dont work on dmf problems beyond attempts at forced regens etc and have never recommended to any of them to get them removed.

 

if you read everything ive written, ive been saying it wont be strict at first, but in my opinion it will in the future....just replying to people asking for advice as they're considering having dpf removed....so once again...dont see your point???



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Posted 08 December 2013 - 08:27 PM

Don't think i'll be removing my DPF by the looks of things then!


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 08:43 PM

Ok. So the rules are changing and people who have had a DPF removed will now fail an MOT...

Insurance companies will refuse to pay out in the event of a crash where a car is found to have had a DPF removed.

Fair enough, but what about the people who have unknowingly bought a car which has had its DPF removed already?

How can it be fair on an unsuspecting customer who has bought one of these cars and it fails an MOT or, has a bump and finds that their insurance wont pay out because of something they knew nothing about!

How can an insurance company prove that the insured driver was responsible for the DPF removal in the first place??

I am still undecided about my DPF.

My friend is an MOT tester and is getting back to me on this as he knew nothing about it!!

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