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#91 wase16ll

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 10:15 PM

they dont know yet...it hasnt been released

 

having said that though, i dont think anything more strict than a visual will come out for a while yet



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Posted 19 December 2013 - 10:27 PM

Not really a responsible law abiding driver I assume then?

So if you hit someone in a collision and your insurance is invalid do you have plenty of spare cash in your bank for compensating others?

I'd love to be visible in your rear view mirror one day.


I pride myself in driving sensibly on the roads and enjoy a good track day. The modifications of the vehicle are for the track and I enjoy doing them as a hobby. I am aware that accidents do happen and I seriously hope I am never involved in hurting anyone. If it were to happen they would be compensated by the government and I would be in a lot of debt for the rest of my working life with ccj's.

All be it sounding arrogant, I was trying just to be open and honest and point out that even little modifications such as changing your alloy wheels without informing the insurance company, will invalidate insurance and I imagine 90% of those on here who have, will not have informed the insurance company. (Equally, there will be many who have remapped without informing them). I do not see why people seem to be more worried about the removal of dpf over all of the other modifications effecting insurance.

With regards to your 'rear view mirror' comment, I am not so certain I understand what you mean?

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 10:29 PM

You'll know it's me or my colleagues when the blue lights come on.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 10:38 PM

All be it sounding arrogant, I was trying just to be open and honest and point out that even little modifications such as changing your alloy wheels without informing the insurance company, will invalidate insurance and I imagine 90% of those on here who have, will not have informed the insurance company.


People actually insure their alloys in case of theft or damage etc. in voiding insurance the insurance company would actually have to prove that those alloys caused the accident, if you have enough tread I don't see how they could. Furthermore many zetec s owners change their alloys to 18s again which is the same size as what was previously on it with the appearance pack. - unlikely to even be noticed unless they're 'blinged up'. Tyre tread is way more important in the event of an accident IMO.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 10:38 PM

Oh I see. Do you find many people have not informed insurers of their modifications? I see you have changed your spoiler. Although we all know this will make no to very little difference to the performance of your vehicle, they should be informed. Being honest, have you informed them? And do you think it should be?

I am not trying to be cheeky in any way, just curious. It is hard to read body language in messages.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 10:42 PM

This is the exact purpose of the test dude. It eliminates straight pipe system that you are sugggesting, for the dpf to pass a visual test it must have something to be "seen" a straight pipe will not have a dummy dpf to visually inspect and on the mk2.5 there is enough room to visually inspect the dpf although it cannot be reached without removal of parts due to it's location

Not only that a straight pipe would fail also for not having a silencer its required to have at least 2 boxes, cat, and silencer plus dpf for diesels. I think you need to think this through, your car wont be on the fence it will be 100% un road worthy

Plus regarding the heavy mods done not decleared you might aswell say good bye to your licence and I'm not having ago just sharing info...


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:02 PM

I am under the impression they remove the innards of the dpf unit so visually it would appear the same. I assume something similar for the exhaust. To be honest, the exhaust started off as a visual upgrade as the Zetec S rear valance is dying for a duplex. It seemed like a good idea to have the cat / dpf done at the same time but I guess I may need to reconsider.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:05 PM

It is only the bluefin map which has not as yet been declared, and the wheels (if they count) they are cheaper than the standard ones from ford, and no different to the other 18's on this model.. I am starting to feel like it may be an idea to find a modified car specialist insurer after some of these recent replies. I hadn't really given it too much thought until going through this thread. Can anyone recommend?

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:08 PM

Absolutely all my mods are declared.
Due to my job I have to be beyond reproach at all times.
I'd be a real hypocrite if I pulled and reported someone for something I was doing myself.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:10 PM

Can I ask who you use for insurance? And do you have many performance mods? Thanks.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:32 PM

I'm insured with CIS.
I have a Police spec Bluefin remap from a group licence via work.

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 08:27 AM

This is the exact purpose of the test dude. It eliminates straight pipe system that you are sugggesting, for the dpf to pass a visual test it must have something to be "seen" a straight pipe will not have a dummy dpf to visually inspect and on the mk2.5 there is enough room to visually inspect the dpf although it cannot be reached without removal of parts due to it's locationNot only that a straight pipe would fail also for not having a silencer its required to have at least 2 boxes, cat, and silencer plus dpf for diesels. I think you need to think this through, your car wont be on the fence it will be 100% un road worthyPlus regarding the heavy mods done not decleared you might aswell say good bye to your licence and I'm not having ago just sharing info...Sent from my GT-I9300 using Ford OC mobile app

The modern diesel with DPF has the catylist and dpf inside the same chamber,
Dpf is the top section of the chamber and the cat is separated by a 1" space inside the chamber.

Standard 1.6TDCi exhaust on a 2010 dpf fitted DV6 engine is like this: two boxes ceramic dpf and rear silencer

Ceramic dpfs don't have regeneration software onboard,
They can't force regenerate,
Their design is to gather heat from the passing exhaust fumes, heating the ceramic coating up to temperature thus constantly burning at temperatures up to 900 degrees under full throttle on motorway runs exceeding 40 minutes.

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Regarding dpf removal,
Find a place that removes the internals ;)
Has my dpf been removed?

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Doesn't look like it,
But that chamber only contains a catylist section
Being a self sealed ceramic, there's no eloys fluid or ignition to force regenerate, so there's nothing for them to possibly check except visual inspection.
My MOT is due in march 2014 I cant wait :) I know its not in there but they dont
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Posted 20 December 2013 - 09:48 AM

On this forum we advise that all members declare all mods. Even something such as winter tyres without notifying the insurer will invalidate your policy. It doesn't matter how small a mod you do, you should declare it as soon as possible to your insurer.

 

Often its better to advise your insurer in advance of the modifications you plan to make. There is a 2 fold benefit to this.

 

1) You pay one policy admin charge rather than however many

2) As soon as you do the mod, you are covered

 

The problem is that if you were to change your alloys, or do the remap now, and had every genuine intention of notifying the insurer tomorrow, if you hit me today, your insurer will void the policy. They look for any excuse at the best of times, let alone when they have to pay out for repairs, be it a Fez, CMAX or Merc SLR!

 

I notified my insurer about 3 months before I added mod's to my car just to be on the safe side. You have to bear in mind, driving with an undeclared mod is as bad as not having any insurance at all. Sure, if Clive was to sit behind you, his computer might say Insurance is present, but when the insurer inspects the car, finds non factory wheels, remaps and any other small things you might have done, you will be stuffed!

 

I don't agree with your not declaring mod's, and I have to be honest, I am disappointed to read the following comment:

 


If it were to happen they would be compensated by the government and I would be in a lot of debt for the rest of my working life with ccj's.

 

These are the reasons both yours, mine and everyone else's insurance premiums are going through the roof year on year. It shouldn't be down to the government, or the MIB to pick up the tab for your lack of willing to notify the insurer. Don't get me wrong, its good to see that you at least have insurance, and in the event of an incident you might be lucky, they might not look for the mod's and might pay out above board, but I would strongly recommend you to get everything declared. It might be a few quid increase now, but trust me, if you end up with CCJ's and then have to declare your policy cancellation for the rest of your driving career, you will end up forking out a damned sight more money than you would want to.

 

I'm not having a go, as most people here aren't, if anything I would hate to see you come back to the forum and announce you have ended up in this sad situation, I would rather see you come back and say that you did write off a hypercar, but you declared your mods and the claim is being done in the expected way, rather than the government picking up the tab.

 

Sure your insurance will be higher for a few years, but is it not better to pay a few quid more now, than a year or two's wages in a big hit, and then whatever you get bent over for later?



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Posted 20 December 2013 - 02:37 PM

The modern diesel with DPF has the catylist and dpf inside the same chamber,
Dpf is the top section of the chamber and the cat is separated by a 1" space inside the chamber.

Standard 1.6TDCi exhaust on a 2010 dpf fitted DV6 engine is like this: two boxes ceramic dpf and rear silencer

Ceramic dpfs don't have regeneration software onboard,
They can't force regenerate,
Their design is to gather heat from the passing exhaust fumes, heating the ceramic coating up to temperature thus constantly burning at temperatures up to 900 degrees under full throttle on motorway runs exceeding 40 minutes.

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Regarding dpf removal,
Find a place that removes the internals ;)
Has my dpf been removed?

Posted Image

Doesn't look like it,
But that chamber only contains a catylist section
Being a self sealed ceramic, there's no eloys fluid or ignition to force regenerate, so there's nothing for them to possibly check except visual inspection.
My MOT is due in march 2014 I cant wait :) I know its not in there but they dont
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Lenny what are you going to do about the tailpipe emission checks that might come in though?

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 03:07 PM

Who says they might ? It's only smoke test for diesels.speculation is a !Removed!

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