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#1 AJRTDDI

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 06:16 AM

I'v done everything i can do to the factory engine without serious money.

Ford Focus Mk1 89bhp

i want a good 140bhp

Is this possable ? ( i dont mind traveling out of area for a good tuner)

Note: Videos Are on Flat Level Ground. No Axle Stands or Dynos. Short & sweet :)

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She's pritty nippy since videos are only Stock engine :P Do you think its been remapped before ?



 



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Posted 15 December 2013 - 07:07 AM

Realistically it will be difficult to get a lot more than (a genuine) 125Hp out of the engne withe the stock pump and injectors

 

Different rolling roads / dyno(meters) can give different results, and some exaggerate the results so you could get 140Hp "on paper" but in "real life" those horses wont be reaching the wheels, if you know what i mean

 

whatever you do to the turbo/ air supply/ boost pressure - the pump/ injectors will hold it back

 

If you have a fixed vane turbo with wastegate, you could fit an electronic boost controller - then you can run more boost and (with the right controiller) the boost should come in sooner, reducing lag, improving throttle response and increasing power/ torque at lower revs - giving you more pull out of corners

 

 

Best to fit a boost gauge and a good, matched to the engine (not too big/ not too small) front - mounted  intercooler

 

Im sure thare are loads of remappers in Birmingham, but good ones? for you, i think you need one with premises, and their own rolling road/ dyno   

 

Also look in to lightening the car, especially the rotating parts, like the wheels flywheel etc - you could look at my build thread for ideas



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Posted 15 December 2013 - 08:35 AM

cheers i uploaded 2 videos. Do you have any Videos of ur mondeo ? (0-40) and (20-60) (3rd gear pull)

i couldnt do a 0-60 safely one handed cause i get alittle

The videos uploaded are pretty stock. It feels a good strong engine. What do u think considering the times ?



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Posted 15 December 2013 - 05:31 PM

why you try pumabuild - see what they can offer but like FOCA says, 140bhp is a big ask

 

 

 



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Posted 15 December 2013 - 09:54 PM

i work next too Puma Build. I move our work cars out the way so they can take the Focus RS out of a morning.

They don't Offer any off the shelf support or remaps for the TDDI.



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Posted 16 December 2013 - 07:17 AM

Superchips do a Blufin for the TDDI -

 

http://www.mybluefin...ves/focustd.pdf

 

It claims a significant increase from 98 to 123Hp and 223 to 287Nm of torque, the power/ torque curves are quite a good shape and if you keep it between 2k & 4.5k it will fly along

 

Its quite expensive at £323 but there are advantages with the Bluefin than with a typical remap

 

another option is to pick up a second hand tuning box - they work well on the TDDIs, if they are the "premium"

 digital ones like the DT-UK -  they can be (carefully!) turned up as well

 

DT-UK tuning box -

http://www.diesel-pe..._1.8-tddi-90-ps

 

its a claimed 120PS, 275Nm, thats without turning it up, in my experience the tuning box gives more bottom end, and a remap mor top end power  

 

not cheap at £360, but you might pick up a secondhand one, any "box for the vp30 (your rotary fuel pump) should do ok -  better to get one with the plugs/ sockets attached

 

On another forum there was someone claiming 145Hp but i don't know what they had to do to get that power

 

its a good idea to do accurate performance testing/ times (safely) so you can track improvements as you do your mods, but things like  timing errors and the speedo error (could be reading +10%- can make a big difference comparing your times to "official" times/ magazine times, but ok for comparing different times/ mods on the same car)

 

this is the Superchips Bluefin power/ torque curves for a Mk2 Focus 2.0L TDCI - 

 

 

http://www.mybluefin...us20tdci136.pdf

 

it peaks out at 3800, but it produces a claimed 176Hp and 387Nm with jusy a map, you would have to do a lot of work to get that sort of power out of your 1.8 TDCI, and it might cost a lot more to do that than just buying a mk2 and sticking a Blufin on it, you should really have a special reason to do it, like wanting to have the quickest Focus 1.8 TDDI or if you are running on veg oil etc



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Posted 16 December 2013 - 08:22 AM

I was looking for cheaper tuning boxes and i found this -

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...#ht_5601wt_1141

 

this connects to the intake air temp sensor, and is not the same as one that connects to the vp30 pump - i would avoid one like this



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Posted 16 December 2013 - 03:45 PM

I was looking for cheaper tuning boxes and i found this -

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...#ht_5601wt_1141

 

this connects to the intake air temp sensor, and is not the same as one that connects to the vp30 pump - i would avoid one like this

my wheels are stock size so speedo shouldnt be out more then normaly. at 60 my statnav read 59 and ticklers to 58

That cheap tuning box i guess puts resistence on the return signal to the ecu making engine pretending its cold ?



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Posted 16 December 2013 - 03:48 PM

i never mind throwing money on my cars.

I'v just had my months money and overtime pay (£1500 after tax)



i would love to own the quickest TDDI. But i think a TDCI swap be better on my pocket. can u drop a 2.0 tdci into focus mk 1 ?



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Posted 16 December 2013 - 03:53 PM

is it really that hard to get 140 bhp from a 1.8 turbo :( ?

my lightly tuned JP4 1.6 106 Rallye had 158bhp ;(

Is there anything i can do to unlimit the fuel issue ?

cant u use bigger nozzels or somthing or somthing like nitrous injection to add more fuel in a controled manor ?

 



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Posted 16 December 2013 - 04:40 PM

my wheels are stock size so speedo shouldnt be out more then normaly. at 60 my statnav read 59 and ticklers to 58

That cheap tuning box i guess puts resistence on the return signal to the ecu making engine pretending its cold ?

Im just pointing out that manufacturers/ Car magazines etc use controlled methods for timing/ speed testing cars - so in the "old days" they used a 5th wheel and a lot of gear, timimg traps etc, if you are using the speedo, it may not be accurate, if you are using a stopwatch you may press it a split-second earlier/ later, there may be a gradient on the road, or a tailwind, the methods my be different (eg - timing the 50-70mph do you sit at 50 start the stopwatch/ then throttle or accelerate from 40, then start the stopwatch as it goes through 50mph)  

 

So it all adds up to the times you do yourself are not usually accurate, and do not compare to the official times from other cars etc

 

Yes the cheap tuning box connects to the IAT (intake air temp) sensor, and fools the ECU into thinking it is colder, thus increasing the fuelling, not as effective as a "proper" tuning box and tho could make one yourself for less than a fiver  



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Posted 16 December 2013 - 04:59 PM

i never mind throwing money on my cars.

I'v just had my months money and overtime pay (£1500 after tax)



i would love to own the quickest TDDI. But i think a TDCI swap be better on my pocket. can u drop a 2.0 tdci into focus mk 1 ?

Probably - the mk1 is lighter than the mk2 so it might be worth the hassle - would not be a TDDI anymore if it had a TDCI engine, though

is it really that hard to get 140 bhp from a 1.8 turbo :( ?

my lightly tuned JP4 1.6 106 Rallye had 158bhp ;(

Is there anything i can do to unlimit the fuel issue ?

cant u use bigger nozzels or somthing or somthing like nitrous injection to add more fuel in a controled manor ?

 

You can fit nitrus, its expensive and you get a limited supply, only really practical for drag racing

 

water/ meth injection is probably more practical on a diesel, there are some who have done this, on other cars  

 

LPG might be the way to go, big power gains are possible

 

All the above might need seriously stronger trassmissions/ gearboxes/ clutches etc  

 

the vp30 pump and the injectors are Bosch, it may be possible to obtain bigger injectors, or modify the existing injectors/ pump, there are people/ companies that do this, if you can find them, won't be cheap, though

 

the remap/ premium tuning box can make the most of the existing injectors, mine, for example, are running at 95% of their capacity, a remaper  (even Superchips/ Bluefin) can do this, if you ask them nicely

 

there are things holding the engine back, different things depending on the engine  there are a lot of things holding the 1.8TDDI back, you would have to change a lot to get big power - it could cost ££££££s  



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Posted 17 December 2013 - 12:50 AM

Cheers for all your help mate.
I was gonna get this mondeo with bluefin adverts 163Bhp & 380Nm on 2.0 TDCI 130


After all engine remap cost me around £400 be lucky to get 125bhp and 270nm

Mondeo is £600. 2 Days labor to remove complete loom/ ECU (remove unwanted loom parts)

Budget few £100 for pipework/Fuel line bolts plastic clips the oil and service work ect ect

For around a £1000 i could get a thrashed Mk2 Petrol focus but i wouldn't have such a fast and good mpg mk1 :)
http://cgi.ebay.co.u...m=261352176960

 




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