carl1991 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Hi all, I recently hydrolocked my engine and threw a rod, so I have replaced my engine with another 1.6 zetec se. After 2 days swapping and fitting new clutch and swapping flywheel etc it came the time to start it up... And it doesn't start! cranks fine occasionally makes a cough of life then returns to normal cranking. My old engine was FYDB this new one is FYDA, would that make any difference? I have done the following to rectify: Checked and cleaned plugs. Spark ok. Fitted Crank and cam sensors from old engine Had fuel coming through pipes at bulkhead, but plugs were dry, so used injector rail from old engine- plugs now wet on cranking. Intake manifold fitted from old engine due to sensor. Wiring harness for injectors, idle air valve and above sensor- due to new engine not having sensor. Tried with both coil packs Key recognised upon entry Fuel pump primes. EML on when cranking but goes out but comes back on. OBD Scan showed P0320- Ignition speed? cant remember all of error message, hence swapped crank and cam sensors. Any help very much appreciated- getting close to giving up, don't want to give up :( Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOCA Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Did you see the new engine running before the swop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl1991 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Unfortunately not, from a breakers as on tight budget, warranted for 30 days though. Everything is there for it to start, you sometimes get a little hope, cranking goes higher pitched, like its just about to start, but then returns to normal cranking Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan_M Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 If its says ignition speed that would mean that it's retarded surely, or the timing is wrong, perhaps take the belt cover off and see if the belt has been changed and if the marks line up. Sent from my GT-N5110 using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl1991 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 I was going to fit a new belt when engine was out, but couldn't undo pulley bolt! Engine was fitted with a gates powergrip that looked brand new, tensioner was bright clean silver and date wheel said 10/11 date of manufacture. Timing pin inserted and bar on camshafts but couldn't get bar into one of the cam shafts, ever so slightly out I'm talking 0.01 mm out. Would that cause a problem? Thanks for your advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan_M Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 To be fair I'm not sure but i doubt it would cause it to not run at all. Sent from my GT-N5110 using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl1991 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 That's what I thought, I could understand a rough idle. The bar would fit, but only on certain parts of bar ( my timing bar had notch's in it) but to from cylinder wall to wall it wouldn't. I will go back and check all connections again, this has got to be something simple. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan_M Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 If it trys have you considered the dimple bits like fuel filter, battery, air filter? Sent from my GT-N5110 using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl1991 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 battery ok but does go flat after cranking a few times, its been on charge overnight will try,again when I'm back. I haven't checked the filter and i haven't got the equipment to test fuel pressure, but I had fuel at the red and white pipes coming through the bulkhead, but plugs were dry, so swapped injectors from old engine- plugs now wet. New air filter as old one was sodden due to flood. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan_M Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Try the battery first then, flood? There wasn't any water in the motor when you first tried it? Sent from my GT-N5110 using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl1991 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 My old engine hydrolocked, and threw no 3 rod, so replaced unit. Will try the battery, .any ideas how to test fuel pressure? My rail doesn't have a valve. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan_M Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 No sorry mate, I would have thought there is a live data code for low fuel pressure anyway. Sent from my GT-N5110 using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl1991 Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 Engine sparks, had injectors out and cranked whilst held fuel Rail and they spray Fine. Will double check all plugs and Wires tomorrow. Thanks for help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl1991 Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 Timing set again- now dead on as was very slightly out. STILL NO START?! Will buy a compression tester as it has got to be lack of compression, it has everything else needed to fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOCA Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Timing set again- now dead on as was very slightly out. STILL NO START?! Will buy a compression tester as it has got to be lack of compression, it has everything else needed to fire Are the plugs connected right (in the right order)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl1991 Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 Yes all connected correctly, thus presuming cylinder 1 is timing belt end? Well and truly stumped. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl1991 Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 Getting worried now about flywheel. I have just read online about cars not starting after flywheel replacement.... Flywheel was replaced as for some reason my clutch would not go on the other engine, there were no dowels for the clutch to sit on, so I just swapped them, does the flywheel have to be put back in a certain position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOCA Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Getting worried now about flywheel. I have just read online about cars not starting after flywheel replacement.... Flywheel was replaced as for some reason my clutch would not go on the other engine, there were no dowels for the clutch to sit on, so I just swapped them, does the flywheel have to be put back in a certain position? The ignition timing may be taken off the fliwheel, thats how the ECU knows the crank position if its in the wrong position the spark may happen at completely the wrong time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl1991 Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share Posted February 2, 2014 Haynes never stated anything. Hope i dont hace to remove it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOCA Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Haynes assumes the replacement parts are identical to (and compatible with) the original ones Problem is, you don't know if this is the reason the engine does not start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl1991 Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 This has now baffled 2 mechanics?! Timing is correct, fuel ok, no fault codes new crank sensor as one mechanic said it had intermittent spark, how many times should each plug spark when taken out and observed when cranking? i.e., my plugs fire sort of /...../...../...../ should it be more of a ./././././././.... - I imagine that doesn't make much sense but imagine the forward slash to be spark, full stop to be pause, basically should they be firing a lot quicker than they are? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan_M Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Are the leads in a decent condition aswell as the coil pack as that would effect the spark quality and frequency? Sent from my GT-N5110 using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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