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#1 54TDCi

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 08:56 AM

Hi guys !

What causes this to come on ?

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Only happens first thing in morning when car is off overnight, if I jump in and start straight away I get this warning, but if I leave the ignition on for 2-3 mins its fine.

If I jump in start straignt away and I drive away the engine system fault comes on and the engine cuts out and it takes time to start again

Also at first thing in the morning idle is a bit lumpy but is better after a while

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 11:09 AM

HI Brian,

 

The possibilities are endless! It sounds like its a glow plug issue, they arent heating the chamber properly so it runs lumpy, but if you let it idle, then it gradually warms up before you use it.

 

I would start by checking the error codes on the trip computer



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Posted 30 May 2014 - 11:28 AM

Hi there !

I checked the error codes on dash and there are none.

Diagnostic shows nothing also

It is quite lumpy and the engine cuts out when trying to drive off.

But if I go back to the car again and jump in and go its perfect becuase the engine is already warm

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Posted 30 May 2014 - 01:20 PM

Error codes (or lack thereof) doesnt surprise me. It does sound like its either glow plugs need replacing or possibly the relay.

 

If I recall, there was either a TSB or an advisory issued by Ford, for the replacement of glow plug relay / harness, due to the risk of salt and water getting into these and corroding them.

 

How competent are you with a spanner? if you are extremely its worth trying to remove the plugs, but they are tight, a pain in the backside and if done wrong, can break the plug and leave it in the socket, then your in trouble. if you arent comfortable, I would say leave it to a garage to do. If you check the plugs and they behave well then it could be the harness, likewise, if they dont glow very well at all (or say its 1 in 4 that works OK) then its likely to be replacement plugs.



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Posted 01 June 2014 - 03:37 PM

Thanks for that.

I wouldnt chance it myself to be honest but I'll pass it on to the mechanics and let them have a go. Thankfully doesnt seem majorly serious to the engine !

Thanks again

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Posted 01 June 2014 - 09:29 PM

Nah it just makes it lumpy, but its fine once it warms up, but yeah hopefully the mechanic sorts it easy enough.



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Posted 01 June 2014 - 09:54 PM

I had similar problems, mine was glow plugs. It did throw a code though - have you tried reading the codes with a code-reader when the error actually comes on? Mine showed nothing on the dash even when the fault was present and the code-reader showed them.

 

http://www.fordowner...ater-circuit-a/

 

4 new plugs for me and she's sorted.

 

As has been said though, without codes it really is a shot in the dark. Speaking of which, the plugs are apparently a nightmare to get to on the 1.6 - nothing like the 1.8.



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Posted 02 June 2014 - 10:37 AM

The instrument cluster only picks up a high level of codes, if there is a battery fault, or an instrument cluster fault, these will trigger the error code to be shown on the computer, but little more than this will appear here.

 

In my signature, there is a writeup I did on how to go about buying an code reader,  have a read through and see if any of it is any use to you :)



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Posted 02 June 2014 - 08:46 PM

I have a basic obd2 bluetooth code reader but when this fault occurs it does not put the engine light on. Only the dash display comes on.

I'll get the lads to put 4 new plugs in it anyway and hopefully it'll sus itself out !

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 09:22 PM

Any warning lights should register a code, hopefully the plug change will help

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Posted 02 June 2014 - 09:44 PM

If you have a multimeter you could check resistance across the glow plugs to check if they have failed. From memory the focus will only put a warning light on when all four plugs are down or the relay has failed.


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Posted 07 June 2014 - 06:59 PM

Heres a good one for you lads I just discovered.

You know the way these engines and fuel rely only on vacuum ? E.g you park facing uphill with very low fuel it won't start or will briefly then cut out.

Could this be the cause ?

Just this happened again today (mechanic is on holiday) and it drove for a minute then died with the message and would not start again. ... I used easy start in the air intake and then it started fine.

What do you think ?

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 07:58 PM

Easy start is like poison to cars, so dont rely on it too much! but, yes, it could be a symptom.

 

the best thing to do is to make sure you have sufficient intake. Start the engine, feel around for a leak on the turbo intercooler pipe and hoses (see my signature for a guide based on the CMAX which isnt overly different).

 

If that doesnt work, find the inlet manifold and check for leaks whistles or sucking noises.



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Posted 07 June 2014 - 08:31 PM

I didnt know easy start was bad for cars !

There are definitly no leaks or noises strange in the engine bay... mechanics had checked this already when fitting engine

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Posted 07 June 2014 - 09:03 PM

when you say very low fuel? as i live on a hill, even with 42 miles left in the tank it has not difficulty starting.... i would suggest maybe a air leakage some where, maybe in the fuel system..... it only needs be a pin hole....

 

what message did it die saying lol?



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