cgooderham94 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Riordian... Seems like there is just a lack of 'oomph' in second; I have the same issue in my red edition. If I ever want good throttle response then third is always the gear I rely on. Having said that though, it really is a fantastic car and cannot fault its handling! I got onto Mountune a couple of weeks back and 'they reckon' that they have an upgrade on its way for the ZS140 in 2015. Would be good if an MP remap was developed for warranty sake but not hopeful! Sent from my iPhone using Ford OC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afrocleland Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Ok... Had my Red for a week now and rattled out 300 miles. I really like it. It's very good compromise on all the things I wanted and cost. Feels very torquey and shifts quickly if you get the revs above 3k. Feels very much like a diesel which isn't necessarily a bad thing. The build quality seems good, had my radio reset after it was faulty and it was fine. Interior is nice too and I like the seats. Sporty, yet soft enough to be comfortable for the likes of my 70 year old nana. Only issue I have is the crap weather... Washed it yesterday and it's black already. Managed to get a pressure washer today, so will give that a run out tomorrow. Very pleased and I don't long for my old mini. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leezer Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 This is a good time to bring up something I've been really thinking about. I'm very new to the forum and to tuning and things like that so you guys giving me a bit of input is greatly appreciated... Anyway...Bought myself a 2013 1 litre (100ps) about a month ago. Love the performance, love the car. Was looking about and went to bluefin site to see what they could do with the wee 3 pot. I could get an extra 40hp for £360 apparently. When I purchased the car I took out an extra years warranty (Just so it could feel like I'd bought it brand new and I was a proper person! ;)) So I'm wondering is the bluefin worth it? are there any problems down the line of the engine blows? I've got in touch with superchip (Bluefin) who said that they believe the map isn't traceable...but this isn't really a guarantee, so if I go ahead with the remap I could end up messing up the 330 I spent of the extra year warranty and the years I have left. I'm just wondering what anyone opinion is on this? Have you done it for your car? Did you/should I notice a massive mpg change?It would make my car as powerful as this one but at what cost?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riordian Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 This is a good time to bring up something I've been really thinking about. I'm very new to the forum and to tuning and things like that so you guys giving me a bit of input is greatly appreciated... Anyway...Bought myself a 2013 1 litre (100ps) about a month ago. Love the performance, love the car. Was looking about and went to bluefin site to see what they could do with the wee 3 pot. I could get an extra 40hp for £360 apparently. When I purchased the car I took out an extra years warranty (Just so it could feel like I'd bought it brand new and I was a proper person! ;)) So I'm wondering is the bluefin worth it? are there any problems down the line of the engine blows? I've got in touch with superchip (Bluefin) who said that they believe the map isn't traceable...but this isn't really a guarantee, so if I go ahead with the remap I could end up messing up the 330 I spent of the extra year warranty and the years I have left. I'm just wondering what anyone opinion is on this? Have you done it for your car? Did you/should I notice a massive mpg change? It would make my car as powerful as this one but at what cost?! What you say is being discussed thoroughly on another topic. My opinion is that it will be faster than the stock 140hp red/black has. I logged my car the other night. 2nd gear has over boost 18 psi, 3rd 20.1 psi and 4th 20.9 psi. To get these numbers i really had to push the pedal where the peak torque is. So this is roughly translated to 1.35bar max boost . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paramanic Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 This is a good time to bring up something I've been really thinking about. I'm very new to the forum and to tuning and things like that so you guys giving me a bit of input is greatly appreciated... Anyway...Bought myself a 2013 1 litre (100ps) about a month ago. Love the performance, love the car. Was looking about and went to bluefin site to see what they could do with the wee 3 pot. I could get an extra 40hp for £360 apparently. When I purchased the car I took out an extra years warranty (Just so it could feel like I'd bought it brand new and I was a proper person! ;)) How did you manage to buy another years warranty? I recently got a 13plate and had no clue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leezer Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 How did you manage to buy another years warranty? I recently got a 13plate and had no clue I bought it directly from for and asked If I could purchase a years extended warranty. Give them a call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leezer Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Anyone know what they've actually done to the engine? I have a 100ps remapped to close to 140ps and if ford are happy to release a production car with my engine with little changes to it other than software i'm pretty happy its safe at that level of power. I'm very interested in the 100ps bluefin to 140. Just wondering what your experience of it was? Would you recommend it? did it affect mpg much? 0-60 performance? General pro's and cons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ffoxy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 As enthusiasts you guys should look a bit harder. It's not just re-mapped. Sure the turbo has had some map work as has the ignition, but the valve timing is also altered, compression ratio is up, top gear ratios changed (lengthened to provide better use of the more long legged engine) The lower ratios are a bit shorter too, this is why the 0-60 time isn't as exciting as some would want... The suspension is slightly lowered, steering turn in has been revised. Probably a few other bits and pieces too... And yes, they are a bit Marmite, but I'm really happy with mine. I previously owned a 1.0 ZSE 125 and the cars ARE different perceptibly. Ford have a Warranty to support so just re-mapping wouldn't cut it for them, probs ok for you guys as long as nothing breaks... And of course you tell your insurance company... Oh and take the map off or fess up when you come to sell it on or the new owner could be driving illegally. But guys it's fine honest... Not everyone will feel the love... Sent from my iPhone using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paramanic Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I bought it directly from for and asked If I could purchase a years extended warranty. Give them a call.Who Do i call? Do you have a number ? Forgot to ask is it a 13 or a 64 plate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsjmsimpson Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 My husband said to me why didn't I just get the 100PS re-mapped to match the power of the red edition, but I explained to him that the tweaks that Ford made would mean that a re-map just wouldn't cut it. I love my red edition and what Ford have done is amazing. I only hope that when it comes to changing that it's still in production or they have used the red as the basis for the zetec s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NQbbe Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I've just ordered a Black Edition, but I haven't tried it yet (they had no demo car currently, they'll get one next month, and I can cancel the order if I don't like it) Anyway I currently own the 125 ZS, so I'm curious if someone could explain how different they are ? The primary difference I'm expecting is more pull in 3rd and 4th gear (due to lower gear ratio and slightly more power), but that's pretty much all I know so far. So if anyone feels like writing a short comparision I'd appreciate it big time :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afrocleland Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I've just ordered a Black Edition, but I haven't tried it yet (they had no demo car currently, they'll get one next month, and I can cancel the order if I don't like it) Anyway I currently own the 125 ZS, so I'm curious if someone could explain how different they are ? The primary difference I'm expecting is more pull in 3rd and 4th gear (due to lower gear ratio and slightly more power), but that's pretty much all I know so far. So if anyone feels like writing a short comparision I'd appreciate it big time :-) Red Stitching? That's worth an extra 1bhp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ffoxy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 There's enough difference to make a difference, but it's not an ST. To some people BHP is everything, I don't know why they didn't just spend a bit more for an ST. Take a good read through this Thread. I owned a 125 Fiesta ZSE back to back with the Black Edition I now have, there are differences... Subtle but there none the less... Even my daughter can tell as she has a Red Edition after also coming out of a 125 Fiesta ZSE. And to cap it? My youngest still has a 125 Fiesta ZSE and even she notices the improvements. All 3 are much better cars in every way than my Wife's 1.6 Metal. Sent from my iPhone using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NQbbe Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 There's enough difference to make a difference, but it's not an ST. To some people BHP is everything, I don't know why they didn't just spend a bit more for an ST. Take a good read through this Thread. I owned a 125 Fiesta ZSE back to back with the Black Edition I now have, there are differences... Subtle but there none the less... Even my daughter can tell as she has a Red Edition after also coming out of a 125 Fiesta ZSE. And to cap it? My youngest still has a 125 Fiesta ZSE and even she notices the improvements. All 3 are much better cars in every way than my Wife's 1.6 Metal. Sent from my iPhone using Ford OC mobile app Thanks for this, sounds like I won't be disappointed. I do care about BHP, but it's not the main thing for me. The reason I ordered a black edition is that my wife wants to take over my Fiesta, so I figured I might as well get a black edition instead of the normal ZS, as the price difference was only around 600£. (My wife currently has a Ford Ka, so it'll be a major step up for her ^^) I did actually try the ST, but it fell short in multiple places: - The Recaro seats are not for anyone, my wife got a back ache after 5 minutes sitting in them. - The suspension is IMO too hard, I cannot imagine driving 50+ miles in one of those - The price is much higher in Denmark (the Red/Black edition costs only 63% of an ST) - Insurance and road tax is a lot higher too (like 2-3 times more expensive) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ffoxy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 And there you have it, exactly why I chose the Black Edition. It sits nicely between the ZSE and the ST, but offers comfort and reduced costs, but with what I consider some pretty cool looks, over the more radical and hard core ST. You won't be disappointed, the Black drives really well and has a good turn of pace when needed. And of course that 3 cylinder offbeat thrum is something the ST cannot replicate. I'd have a Black / Red edition again in a heartbeat! Sent from my iPhone using Ford OC mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riordian Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Those who care ONLY and SOLELY for the added hp dont even bother.... just take the sport edition aka zetec s in the uk and remap it... it will be as fast or even faster... i raced with a 125 zse and the distance i had was nearly 3 to 4 cars tops... i believe there might be some silly restrictors that dont make it go 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panjuices Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Those who care ONLY and SOLELY for the added hp dont even bother.... just take the sport edition aka zetec s in the uk and remap it... it will be as fast or even faster... i raced with a 125 zse and the distance i had was nearly 3 to 4 cars tops... i believe there might be some silly restrictors that dont make it go 100% Eh I'm confused? Define raced maybe? I don't think anyone thinks the Red/Black editions are super-fast and tons quicker than the Zetec S? I don't get what you mean by restrictors either. I mean they're just like a Zetec S+ with unique paintjobs that make them easy to differentiate between an already narrow cost gap between the Zetec S & ST models. Ffoxy talks a lot of sense. If you care about the HP there are LOTS of other cars out there at the end of the day. Most obvious an ST. Less obvious an old Lancer Evo cranked up past 400HP. Also realistically except the MR Mountune upgrade on a Zetec S the standard car IS slower isn't it? Less power,longer ratios, softer suspension? Otherwise stick them on a rolling road and take Ford to court... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riordian Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I raced it on a straight line with 2nd gear 30 mph and I was ahead but the difference wasn't much... When I bought it that's what i thought to be honest, to be a lot faster... i mean from a rolling start at least... It has more hp and shorter gear ratio... fiesta st's gear ratio with a bit longer final drive to be exact... By restrictors I mean like this thing they had on the old ST... which was reducing the torque at 1st and 2nd gear if i'm correct. I also think that if you install the MP135 in the Zetec S it will have the same performance or (?) maybe better... I wrote before panjuices that I am not unsatisfied from my new ride.. on the contrary i really like/enjoy driving it every single minute... Well to be honest I was hoping it had more spark in it in comparison to the Zetec S. I am just clarifying to people here that if they go and buy a red/black just for the 15 more hp to think again... I bought it for the whole package and I am extremely happy with my choice Cheers :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panjuices Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Maybe we will find out when Mountune announce something for the red/black? You might be right in that there is something about 1st and 2nd being limited - didn't you or someone else mention that there was more pull in 3rd? If you can do it safely maybe one interesting test would be http://www.mountune.com/index.php/services/performance-upgrades/fiesta/fiesta-1-0t-2013 Standard - 31-62mph (4th gear): 12.2secs Mountune MP135 - 31-62mph (4th gear): 10.7secs Red/Black - ? Hard to really tell without the torque & power curves of all 3 cars - would be interesting! I think some of it is Ford walking a narrow tightrope between models and there being less than 2 grand between ZS & ST. With the red It's difficult to work out but they're not trying to get near the performance of the ST with the civil suspension etc of the ZS, I think they're almost going after the look more than anything and the power increase & suspension tweak was something they felt they had to do just to prove it was different (effectively free to them). Zetec S - From £15,645 / Red - From £16,145 (Black=£500 more) / ST From £17,395 What I found interesting (and shame I forgot the printout) was I went to a local Ford dealer to drive a ZS and they had specced ALL their forecourt ZS models with Privacy Glass (£200) and 17" alloys (£300). It was almost like they didn't see the Red coming since that brought the ZS to the same money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riordian Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Ha... when mountune decides to announce its upgrade i'd have a new car :D :D I mentioned it in a previous thread that yes... 1st and 2nd are not as torque'ish as the rest gears... i wonder if the same exists in the Zetec S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfriel2 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 The official 31-62mph (4th gear) time for the red / black edition is 8.6 secs.. But that doesn't seem to fit with the others quoted. As for prices, The actual ford ones don't really reflect reality! Sent from my iPhone using Ford OC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NQbbe Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 The red/black time of 8.6 secs for 31-62mph is correct, it's faster than a Mountuned ZS because the gear ratios are shorter on the red/black, so in effect it has more pull in each gear (at the cost of slightly lower MPG) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfriel2 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 The red/black time of 8.6 secs for 31-62mph is correct, it's faster than a Mountuned ZS because the gear ratios are shorter on the red/black, so in effect it has more pull in each gear (at the cost of slightly lower MPG) It's a significant difference and shows the benefits of not going down the ZS Mountune route. Looking forward to geting mine, in about a week... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ffoxy Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Just enjoy the car. I love mine, I don't race it or thrash it and to me it's not about how fast it is or what I can or can't "beat". It's how it was designed, it's not tampered with and its covered by Warranty and my insurance is legal. Ford have produced a very good little car. Sent from my iPhone using Ford OC mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afrocleland Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'll second that. It's not a "fast" car. It's a small, sportier looking, "quick" yet still comfortable version of a very well thought of hatch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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