Of course dude, half the time it's just because they are !Removed! at paying so much, Look at the 0-60 of an Audi TT 2.0 Turbo petrol, it's slower than the Fiesta and costs 10K more, Golfs of any kind and bland, fat flabby things and look the same as an A3 these days anyway, only now the Golf costs the same as the A3 when a decade ago the A3 was more expensive and considered upmarket to the Golf.
Golf R's are a different world and the 1series is a different kind of car altogether to any of them and should be excluded from it, mainly as it costs so much more it's not comparable.
Someone had me off the lights the other day, in an Audi Q7 4.0TDI and my mate tried to troll me over it, why on earth people think a 16K Ford should beat a 50K+ Audi is beyond me, but thats the opposite point, a car that costs a substantial amount more should be better than the Ford as it's all about expectation and quality of materials etc, people just think because it costs more it should be a better car.
Generally I think if Fords are that bad than a RS500 should be worth nothing but scrap and the same for Cossie RS's, effectively they are rusty and tatty old things now but offer something that no Golf / A3 does, just BOSSness and the fact it will always be cool, even the RS500's are actually quite slow and laggy but still what would you rather have.
Think of it like that, in 20 years time these "pony little turbo fords" will be very sought after cars and probably worth a fortune once all the hoodrats have "modified" them and bent them round lampposts and you'll be happy knowing you still have one or did own one and have some memories and photos of it.
What will they have.......... A Golf? One of several hundred thousand and never ever stood out and changed shape 6 months later and never really satisfies the owner or warranted the 25K price tag....... Quite happy with the ST imo.
( Until the 135M drops in price )
I think we are on the same page in regard to what you have just said. I'd like to say I have nothing against the Golf, I probably won't ever buy one, my issue is with some of the owners of them and owners of other german marques (not all owners).
Love the 'BOSSness' remark, I personally overuse the term 'BOSS' to describe things.
In regard to the Golf R, I test drove one along with the Leon Cupra 280 in the same week prior to buying my fiesta. The Golf R feels in a different league in a straight line from standstill, the launch control is epic. However it left me cold. It was grippy and extremely competant but there was no 'fun' to be had in the same way as the Fiesta. The Leon Cupra on the other hand was epic! The fact it was FWD and had a diff made it a better driver car than the golf R. \In the end though I decided to spend a bit less so went for a fully specced ST (I test drove the Focus, really liked it but just preferred the Fiesta which I was surprised at).
IMO I can imagine the Golf MK7 PP (with the diff) is a pretty sorted car if it is anything like the Leon, just down on power. I just don't see how it is in another league, especially not dynamically. I'd still have my fiesta though.
See I think we shouldn't worry as let people talk them down. The fact they are not in the same league probably means they are a little less desirable to try and half inch. That has to be a good thing for all and well the more I look at mine (from a non Fiesta loving perspective) the more I can see it just looks like a "normal" car. All good for me.
Like has been said above, hopefully we can all enjoy them and have the memories from them as in the years to come they will become a classic to Ford lovers, that is clear.
Fair point. I guess it is 'just a fiesta' to some people, but that is what annoys me! The ST is more than just a fiesta! I think the front of the car doesn't look normal, whenever I see another ST go by with those LED's I think they look pretty mean.
I have to agree, I find it funny how snobbish some people get about their more expensive cars. I don't know about you guys but I don't spend the time in my car poking the plastics to see how cheap they are, I spend my time driving it. The cheap plastics are in the areas I never touch anyway, look at the things you do touch in the ST- steering wheel, gear stick and handbrake, they all have a quality feel in my opinion with leather and a bit of metal etc.
I do like the quality of some cars though, my dad's Golf has a more solid feel to everything, speaking only as a passenger though. I'd take better handling or a bit more power over a nicer sound when the door closes any day. Ford chose to make the correct thing sound better - the engine (with the sound symposer) instead of the doors which VW seem to think is more important.
The thing, the ST isn't exactly cheap, just under 20k! But I deel it is worth it becuase of that includes all your extra whereas spec a Golf up with all the same optional extras and the price goes skyhigh! I think the better plastics argument is used to justify the Golf against it's higher powered rivals. The interior of the R is very very nice but after sitting in any car for a few minutes and actually driving it is irrelevant as to what the interior quality is. Coming from my Leon the Fiesta is a step up in interior.
My mate has a golf gti 2011 it's all been mapped n new exhaust etc pushing 265bhp. I used to drive it all the time n liked it till I got my st now I prefare that. He has had ago in mine and he now considering swapping for one he loves it haha and it beats his hands down (but he not the best driver in the world lol)
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I quite like the golf in the fact its quite good at everything but for me it doesn't excel at anything and to me it ends up being a bit of a bland experience. The Fiesta with the MP215 kit is on par straight line wise with the 265bhp S3 which is pretty good.
Also remember all the new Golfs and A3's are on PCP deals and they'll never own them at all with at least 12K being wanted at the end of the term, so it's not their car anyway and the statement, My car is better than yours doesn't stand,
I bought my Fiesta through a PCP deal and I do own the car, the finance company aren't the registered owners (unlike lease deals). I can afford the monthly payments. The GFV of my car is £9.6K, a two year old ST3 should surely be worth roughly £13K giving me over £3 positive equity to use as a deposit for my next car.
People tend to be biased against them until they have driven one....
Very true. I was guilty of that with diesels until I bought one. Had a dsg box and 200bhp and 300lbs ft, was great for commutting. BUT, I did get fed up and bought the Fiesta after 9 months of the Leon.