Lawrie323 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Recently I bought myself a new Zetec S 7.5 1.0 125 ecoboost. Got it for a great price when I was actually looking for a new mini cooper for my girlfriend and I. It came with tons of great options and have recently added rokblokz mudflaps to reduce the winter grit scratching the paint and also replaced the footwell LED's to blue ones to match the car colour. Anyway onto the topic in hand, I was looking under the bonnet the other day and noticed that the turbo is stamped with a QR code and number. Fairly standard you would think other than the fact i noticed mine speficially stated 100 (as shown in the attached picture) rather than 125 or 120 or whatever it should be. My car is specifically the 125PS model and is proven by the car documents and even searching the reg on any insurance quote websites however this is merely electronic information compared to mechanical proof. My query for the gents (and ladies) that probably know a whole lot more about this than I do is that does it matter that it states 100 rather than the 125? Is there any actual difference between the turbo units? I am aware that there was a post asking the differences between the ecoboost 100 and 125 but it never went into detail about the turbo so thought I would start fresh. Now to add to the query the car is as quick as a little 125PS hatchback should probaby be in my opinion, was joining the motorway the other day and hit 70mph in 2nd gear and didnt even reach 6000RPM. However could the 100PS model give the same performance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue2 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I have a titanium 125ps & I haven't looked at the turbo yet. I will have to take a look as soon as I get a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie323 Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 That would be great thanks. I trust my engine output is 125Ps but its more of a little concern at the back of my mind that the turbo may be just slightly lower spec in some way or another which could result in increased deterioration than normal due to being used with the different configuration of the 125 against 100 models. It could be nothing but would be nice to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Not sure why yours is like that. I have a 125bhp version fiesta with the correct turbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarksST Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 The 100 and 120 might not mean anything to do with the power output. The part numbers match except for the second to last digit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarky2013 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Same turbo isn't it just different maps ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie323 Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 The 100 and 120 might not mean anything to do with the power output. The part numbers match except for the second to last digit. Well noted, as I said before I am aware the 100 and 125 models are more or less the same just different mapping so maybe they can get away with using the same turbo units with different stamped figures in either car. It could well be that the 100 and 120 stamp could be irrelevant of power given that it doesnt match exact horse power or PS. If anyone has any other suggestions or coments that would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH10GEL Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 If you google the two part numbers CM5G6K682HB and CM5G6K682GB It does appear that the GB suffix is used on the 125ps engines and the HB on the 100ps engines, at least in the Focus. See here and search on the part numbers. http://en.turbolader.net/Content/Suche.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie323 Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 Ok thanks for that, Think i will have a word with ford in some way or another and see what they think. The images for the GB and HB look identical but there is a well stated difference in power output associated to each in the focus. Odd how the website doesnt associate the 1.0 litre with the fiesta though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troy45 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Yep, those photos are of 2 different variant turbo's - the first letter of the part number suffix (GB vs HB in this case) indicates this. May be possible to work out what spec cars each part is aligned with but I'll have to work on that. As there's a 2D barcode on each part there is some error-proofing built in, either for identifying the parts at the turbo manufacturer or when parts are being selected during assembly at the engine plant. But these systems aren't foolproof, or there may have been a parts issue of some kind and Ford authorised fitting of different turbo. Depends what the actual differences are between the 2 units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie323 Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 Would be interesting to see if any other zetec s turbo's on here have the HB code as this has so far been a comparison between the ZS (mine) and titanium (Willy's). Could it be a different variant for that reason? I would doubt it given the significance and evidence of the 125PS output and that both should be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariner Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 My Titanium is stamped 120. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil 87 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 You could always go to a rolling road and get some proof of the actual bhp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laumk7 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Where on the engine do I look for this? Has anyone got a open bonnet view and a highlighter? I've ordered a 125hp titanium x and it'll be good to check this info on pick up Sent from my iPad using Ford OC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 On the turbo at the front of the engine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue2 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 I checked mine this afternoon & mine is stamped as a 120. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie323 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Ok that's plenty of Titaniums cross checked and they all state 120 by the look of it making them the HB turbo variant. What about Zetec S's? I have contacted ford and left them my details to see what they have to say. I'm not that eager to have the car on a rolling road mostly because its an extra bit of cash i would rather keep in my pocket and so on. I'm happy to wait and see what ford comes back with or anyone on here has too say. Only if there was a noticeable driving issue would I then think about serious solutions because at the moment there may not be any real difference as it hasn't really been proven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattDRX Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Is no one feeling missold here? The 100 instantly means it's for the 100bhp models so when it says 120 it means you have the 120bhp model which doesn't exist? Think this is being read into wrong, the turbos are the same on both models Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troy45 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 My digging into the part numbers for these didn't turn anything up, which surprised me tbh. The suffixes on the parts do indicate they are different variants but more info needed to determine the specific differences. Quick look at a Ford parts catalogue shows several part numbers for turbo's on each of the diesel engines - maybe a copy of microcat would give some more specifics about what spec cars they go on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattDRX Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Bear in mind they are made in both Romania and Germany so maybe the absolute difference here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie323 Posted December 9, 2014 Author Share Posted December 9, 2014 Is no one feeling missold here? The 100 instantly means it's for the 100bhp models so when it says 120 it means you have the 120bhp model which doesn't exist? Think this is being read into wrong, the turbos are the same on both models The aim of starting this chat wasn't to directly relate the 100 stamp and 120 stamp and indicated power, it was actually the opposite but links highlighted on this forum do suggest that they could be associated to power (could being the key word). I agree that the turbos are most probably the same, all i was asking was that its odd how they state 100 and 120 and it would appear most have thought it due to the similarities in numbers. The only result proven so far is that my ZS states 100 and several titanium models state 120. It could well be the part number HB and GB indicates the place of origin because of that association. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProgFZS Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Will check mine out tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troy45 Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Don't forget with this query that although Ford assemble the Fiesta in 2 different plants the engines may all come from the same engine plant, possibly Dagenham from a quick googling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeZS19 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Checked my zetec s turbo this morning and it's says 120 and has the gb code Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProgFZS Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 120 GB code here also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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