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    • National Party Of Scotland ( SNP )
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So given it's so close how about a Discussion, doesn't need the "you're a fool for voting for whoever" malark.

So, Who are you planning on voting for and Why?

I am going for Conservatives, purely to keep labour out, people wine about them but in reality everything is on the up is 99% of respects and it's working quite well so why ruin it and just carry on and risk it going the other way?

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In before the lock, as Pollyticks tends to get heated fairly quick like.

At the moment I would be considering Conservative, but they may have lost me with the 'making kids sit year 6 SATs if they do not achieve a level 4. I believe that kids are being tested beyond recognition and the whole 'test' obsession needs to be dropped off a cliff. Kids are suffering too much with being forced into conforming as it is.
Also, they have done well in bringing the economy back into line, but it has cost the poor, and not the rich.
The local MP (Conservative) is fairly approachable, well, both who represent Swindon have been,

Labour, well I think if Milliband has courage to back his conviction then he could be a player. I once dismissed him as a brother-back-stabbing twonk, but he seems to be talking a good talk, I doubt he can walk the walk though. Also, I cannot stand the local MP wannabe for my local area. She'd sell her first-born for a shot at the throne. She and her cronies approved the local hospital, which although the level of care is brilliant (I have been in and out of there a lot lately), it is built too small for a fast growing town, it was beyond capacity when they built it, not enough parking, and the justification was that the level of care provided means that the treat-and-street turnaround would be much quicker, but it isn't. Also it was built on a Private Funding Initiative, and I have insider info that says the owners of the building charge the NHS £100+ just for changing a lightbulb. Way to go, Labour.

UKIP can quite frankly, vigourously insert very angry bees into their !Removed!. Maybe then they have a reason to be completely full of crap.

SNP, well I am not in wee bonny Scotland so I can't vote for them.

Greens... Well they are just a bunch of weirdy-beardy, cardigan wearing oddballs who get in their group of 5, cram into Ethel's Honda Jazz, and hang around platform 3 demanding cheaper rail fares, even though their son Harry picks them up everytime they want to go to Weston Super Mud. When they are not doing this they occasionally post on Facebook saying they are going to protest something else, maybe a tree being cut down despite it being completely rotten. I think that giving these people power will mean that Ol' Clive gets his hip replacement next week, and anyone who has a car with an engine will be forced to scrap it, and pay for the privilege in taxes to fund their communist ideals. If they get into power, we will abandon the Union jack in favour for the Hammer and Sickle.

Liberal Democrats... Oops, forgot about them. Back in the day before they allied with Conservatives and became ConDem, I could have waxed lyrical about the leader being a pisshead, but do they even have their own policies? I think that this General Election stands to hurt them. A lot. In fact, I would not be surprised in the slightest if they lost their pitiful '3rd Place' status. No one cares Cleggy Boy, you sold your soul to the Nasty Man Cameron, collection day is imminent...


Anyway. I could go on for hours, but I reckon someone will inevitably 'Your mum' this topic and it will be locked faster than the cell doors of the venerable Rolf Harris.

Until then, I will have the popcorn ready.

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Why is there no Plaid Cymru in the poll ?

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Because there are too many to think of at the time, nothing else, not deliberately excluding them.

But why vote on a national level for someone who only represents local interests? not to try and cause offence by I don't get how the SNP who want independence should be able to run in a national election personally.

It's like letting criminals have a say in how the UK police and say what tactics they can use.

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Plaid Cymru represent the national interest of Wales !

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So what good does that do the UK? Forgive me but I really don't get all this "identity" stuff, we are all British not, English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish.

Surely you are smart enough to understand these politicians all lie to just get their way, all Parties promise X,Y,Z but as soon as they get the seats they'll do you over regardless and you have to wait another 5 years.

What could this lot possibly do to make Wales better / stronger / safer than a proper national level group / government would? take money from London and Aberdeen that hasn't been earned in wales to prop up a failing NHS service that you wanted to run independently and did so poorly along with the education system? Take jobs from elsewhere and create them over there? the DVLA can't even send a log book out or account for penalty points, I'd hate to leave others in charge of more serious things. think it's better in national hands personally. these politicians just blame everyone else for their mistakes.

Stick with what is working and leave these minority parties out of it and things will improve, they just more elements of chaos and grind things to a halt, speak in a paper or local news station saying these "foreigners" who rule us won't do this etc etc and get you to think " ah that's right, the English are to blame" if everyone stuck to the same page there wouldn't be a lot of issues.

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I was thinking of starting a similar thread the other day, but decided against it, as I figured it would be locked near instantly.

Hopefully I will be proven wrong. :)

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I'll be voting Green because they are the most trustworthy party in England, unlike the four Tory parties who are only in politics for the money.

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I'll be voting Green because they are the most trustworthy party in England, unlike the four Tory parties who are only in politics for the money.

The Greens will decimate the UK economy with their planned negative growth, a 240 billion new benefit scheme and insane tax increases. Why on earth should anyone who aspires in life vote green?

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What else am I going to vote for? More austerity (AKA robbing from the poor to give to the rich)? More tax cuts for the rich? More tax avoidance loopholes? More money wasted on things like trident and HS2?

How can any sane person want that more than things like renationalisation of the railways (which will drastically cut rail fares), ending austerity and ending the victimisation of the disabled. The Greens are far from perfect, but they are much better than the four Tory parties.

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For alot of working people it wont matter which of the 2 major parties get in, both quite simular.

I work , dont claim any benefits ,f, own our own house, not been affected by recession and now recovery.

Still can get to drs for appiontments, etc.

So transition from labour gov to condem to whoever?

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Without Trident what would keep the Russians off our shores? Nothing, a feeble army? An old Knackered Air force and a Tiny Navy? none of it, only a Nuke will keep them away. well worth the money.

Consvs aren't about making the Rich, Richer at all. it's about the middle class.

Labour on the other hand are for the Rich, but to make the Rich fund the poor, the poor get dependant on the state and continually vote for what they cannot live without, clever tactics, it's called Socialism where there is no place for the middle class like most of us.

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What else am I going to vote for? More austerity (AKA robbing from the poor to give to the rich)? More tax cuts for the rich? More tax avoidance loopholes? More money wasted on things like trident and HS2?

How can any sane person want that more than things like renationalisation of the railways (which will drastically cut rail fares), ending austerity and ending the victimisation of the disabled. The Greens are far from perfect, but they are much better than the four Tory parties.

I think that HS2 should, in theory, go ahead. But in regards to the Railways, they should be under corporate control, and Network Rail should be sold off too. Re-nationalisation of the Railways would end up with the re-engined 125s being kept going for another 50 years, stagnant development of the network, while Joe Bloggs is expected to pay Ritz money for a kebab shop service. Back in the days of the grouping of the 'Big Four' (LNER, LMS, SR and GWR), who owned and operated their own lines, they ran more efficiently than the shambles that it is now. After the destruction of the lines, stock etc in WW2, they should have been left to the Big Four, who would have put it right, invested in the tech, (GWR for instance were playing with diesel, SR with electrification, LMS and LNER were doing very well with streamlining) and the rail network would be far better today than it ever has been since it was put in the Government's hands. Selling the rails to the companies who run on them, or shares therein, would mean that the companies have control and it is in their best interests to ensure they are top notch.

History has shown that Nationalisation DOES NOT WORK. I give you British Gas. British Steel. The Coal Industry. British Leyland. While the Government owned them, they were trapped by unions, they hemorrhaged money, yet they continued to do so until a ballsy politician pulled the plug. If British Leyland, for example, had been a private firm they would have had to keep going. Austin, Rover, etc may still be going if it wasn't for nationalisation. Unfortunately, big corporations is what keeps the world going in the fashion we are all accustomed to.

As for Trident, again in the times we live in, a nuclear deterrent is nothing more than a big brick upon which will never be used, but will be good for smacking someone upside the head with. Personally, if I was in power, I would be pretending to be making one, making all the right political noises, but actually investing in the RAF and the Navy.

As for Wales, Scotland and Ireland, they are countries in their own right, if they can afford to break away from English Rule, then why the hell not.

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Ireland is not part of the U.K.

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Northern Ireland is... Maybe it should have been specified...

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Ireland is not part of the U.K.

Northern Ireland is, the South (AKA Irish Republic/Free State/Eire) isn't.

Read the cover of an UK passport if you don't believe me.

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Yes, Eire is a foreign country, N.I. is part of the U.K.

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What else am I going to vote for? More austerity (AKA robbing from the poor to give to the rich)? More tax cuts for the rich? More tax avoidance loopholes? More money wasted on things like trident and HS2?

How can any sane person want that more than things like renationalisation of the railways (which will drastically cut rail fares), ending austerity and ending the victimisation of the disabled. The Greens are far from perfect, but they are much better than the four Tory parties.

The Greens will never fix the economy, I would bet my Focus that they will turn it into shambles (assuming they carried out all their pledges).

There should be more important priorities than simply reducing rail fares by 10%. The rail companies charge a fortune at the moment, what difference would a measly 10% make? Sod all.

There are other parties with far more worthwhile policies which will make a difference - such as creating new apprenticeships, reducing tax on the lowest earners, providing more housing, improving the NHS, etc.

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Ireland is Eire :)

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Trident may be costly but taken into context with previous deterrent systems it is more cost effective.

The RAF used to supply the deterrent with the Vulcan fleet but they were too easy to find and destroy on the ground and in the air.

The USSR had every RAF base in the UK/Germany targeted and 90% of the infrastructure would have been hit before the jets were even off the ground.

The idea behind Trident (and previously Polaris) was to have at least one 'Bomber' on constant at sea status and the fact that only the Captain and maybe 2 to 3 other crew knew the sub's location meant that the deterrent was impossible to destroy before the keys were turned in anger.

Nobody moans about the price of an umbrella when the rain comes :d

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I think that there is an issue with expectation Vs. Reality. In regards to the NHS, the general populace want shorter waiting times, quick turnaround with diagnosis/treatment/operations, yet they flood the NHS with complaints that do not require medical attention, such as a cold, etc. Here is a pic that has been doing the rounds on Facebook which I think is appropriate in this instance.
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If people in general followed this advice then there would be less strain on the NHS system. But it needs to be publicised more. One of the problems is that people are forever blaming others, when they need to accept a bit more responsibility.


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Labour have stuffed the N.H.S. in Wales.

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I think that there is an issue with expectation Vs. Reality. In regards to the NHS, the general populace want shorter waiting times, quick turnaround with diagnosis/treatment/operations, yet they flood the NHS with complaints that do not require medical attention, such as a cold, etc. Here is a pic that has been doing the rounds on Facebook which I think is appropriate in this instance.

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If people in general followed this advice then there would be less strain on the NHS system. But it needs to be publicised more. One of the problems is that people are forever blaming others, when they need to accept a bit more responsibility.

http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/regional/worcestershire/worcester/11005853.Patient_visited_A_amp_E_in_Worcester_with_a_paper_cut/?ref=arc

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Exactly my point. People complain that the NHS is not up to standard, yet they are wasting valuable time and resources with pointless things.

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Exactly my point. People complain that the NHS is not up to standard, yet they are wasting valuable time and resources with pointless things.

The world is full of idiots, but what I find strange/frustrating is how these people got past reception!

You give your name and a summary of your complaint, so surely even a receptionist could tell someone with a cold or paper-cut to p*off.

Have signs at the door stating this isn't a place for minor ailments, and charges will apply if you proceed.

On a policy note, I think anyone draining the NHS due to stupidity (drinking) or criminality (cut while robbing a house) should have to pay the cost of their treatment.

Like benefits, it's there for when it's needed, not there to be abused when you can't be bothered to look after yourself.

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