New Brakes

[Damon Cook]

Hi guys buying new pads and discs for my 2.2 mondeo looking at paget or textar but which is better

[stef123]

I use Pagid 99% of the time unless someone says otherwise.

Good value for money, never had any complaints or issues with them. Also the discs are coated with a silver finish rather than oil so they don't rust up quite as quick on the edges - keeps them looking better for longer. (Not that it really matters)

[pragmatix]

Another one for Pagid, I've used the on my mk3 and the missus Roomster, never had a problem with them, not done the Mk4 as it came with new discs allround and as the havnt t gone rusty I'm assuming there Pagids

[BOF]

As far as the disks are concerned, I've got Pagids on the front of my Mondeo, and am happy; they rust less quickly than the Ford originals and generally seem like a good piece of work (although, I'll point out that the decision was influenced by the fact that they were on offer with someone like ECP at the time, and otherwise I might have gone with Mintex).

I can't tell you much about the pads, but be aware that both are in the same group, so they might (emphasis: might) even be the same pads. The TMD group includes Textar, Mintex, Don and Pagid (some bunch of investors has been hoovering up brake companies and putting them together, presumably for economies of scale). Mintex and Pagid, in particular, have a good rep for sporting brakes, but, to what extent that helps with their OEM-replacement pads, and to what extent any one of these companies sells different pads from the others would be speculation on my part.

There had been a problem with Mintex pads just after the takeover, but that's ten years ago now.

[Damon Cook]

Was told pagid and textar are the same brand want sumthin that will help braking i seem to havto press the brake to slpw down but to stop havto floor the pedal and when braking on the motorway seem to get the steering wheel kicking is there any proof of the drilled and grooved discs being better i know the pagid discs are vented so assume bout the same thing

[Damon Cook]

Btw any onther popular mods for a diesel mondeo i can do other than a green air filter

[BOF]

... is there any proof of the drilled and grooved discs being better i know the pagid discs are vented so assume bout the same thing

Vented and grooved/cross drilled are designed to do different things.

Vented is designed to get more airflow through the disks and improve cooling. Often, fronts are vented and rears are plain, and you should not replace vented with plain, because you may not get enough cooling. With the lower amount of work that rears have to do, vented rears don't usually make a difference.

Grooved or cross drilled clean up the surface of the pads (and so avoid the problem that pads 'glaze', under some conditions, usually sustained light-ish braking - grooved probably fulfil this role better than cross drilled, depending on the groove design and the number of cross drillings) and they vent the pad surface (some pads can absorb a little water, and when this happens, under braking, the water can escape as steam, and, without some other way to escape, this stops the pads making full contact with the disks, and this 'I've just pressed the brakes and nothing has happened' effect can be quite disturbing, so it really is something that you don't want - on the other hand, if you have pads that don't absorb water, this isn't an issue).

On the other hand, either grooved or cross-drilled can create local weak spots in the disks, and they can crack under high thermal loading, so, if you go down either the grooved or cross-drilled routes, you want good quality disks.

... i seem to havto press the brake to slpw down but to stop havto floor the pedal and when braking on the motorway seem to get the steering wheel kicking...

Having to floor the pedal is a bad thing, but is probably either air in the system (or absorbed water in the fluid, but you'd expect that to only show up late in a heavy braking phase) or rubbers in the master cylinder being shot. Neither helped by changing the pads or disks, so it is well to know what problem/problems you are trying to cure.

When was the fluid last changed, and what has happened since? How old is the car?

Steering wheels kicking(/vibration) can be caused by disk corrosion, particularly around the edges, but there are probably other causes, too. (Such as 'disk warping' which isn't usually warping that can be measured with a run-out gauge.)

[jeebowhite]

I bought a £100 set of 4 disks and pads from eBay.

Not a big name, but work fantastically. Been on the car for a few months now and still gripping fantastically.