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#706 thesilverfox

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 04:40 PM

The question stated it was for a detail this weekend, not everyone can/will have clay to hand. I don't see the harm in using fairy as a one off, its certainly not going to ruin his paint/finish .... everyone has there own ways though :lol:


Yeah, I know what you're saying :) It's just that there are better ways. Granted, stock to hand is a factor (of course!), but there are shampoos that will take wax off as well intentionally. Not sure I would expect your local Halfords to stock them though.

That said, I tend to only plan a detail when I know I can do it properly and prepare with the right gear. It's almost not worth bothering with if you don't do a task properly in my own personal opinion (the threads I've seen elsewhere, involving polishing on top of un-clayed and gritty paintwork for example - pointless and a waste of time!).

Fairy/washing-up liquid can contain salts (sodium), which speed up the oxidation of paintwork, which is never good, as paintwork can become brittle and will potentially chip easier. As for surfactants, generally not good for the car at all :) Sure, a one-off application isn't going to accelerate this process overnight, but I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it even once.

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 08:36 PM

I'm staying out of the wax stripping debate - I agree with everyone, different methods, but all effective :lol:

However - soft wax waxes are for me best applied by hand, the heat in your hands helps soften the wax further and PH is a joy to apply this way. Blue Velvet on first by applicator if you want to use both at the same time - 4 hours cure is better than nothing. Top it with PH.

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 08:50 PM

Thanks for the replies. I do have clay-sonus green, will that do the job?

Also, how many coats of wax of both blue velvet and purple haze do you recommend, is one for each ok, topped up with red mist every other week? Or should I apply two of each? Sorry if they're stupid questions. Appreciate the advice guys.

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 08:53 PM

The more the better really. If it were me, it would be one of BV and two of PH.

Actually, I will get involved in the stripping wax debate - stripping wax with clay seems to me to be a hugely laborious task. My recipe for stripping back is a strong APC solution (around 4:1 usually) in the foam lance. Does the job beautifully.

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 08:56 PM

Thanks for the replies. I do have clay-sonus green, will that do the job?

Also, how many coats of wax of both blue velvet and purple haze do you recommend, is one for each ok, topped up with red mist every other week? Or should I apply two of each? Sorry if they're stupid questions. Appreciate the advice guys.


sonus green is nice and mild and shouldn't cause marring as long as your carefull, also don't worry about stripping wax off a good wash then paint cleaner of some type will be fine, ps clay really should not be used to strip wax, it's just now what it's for

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 09:03 PM

Hmm, don't have a pressure washer or foam lance :unsure:.

So, If I were to strip the wax, I would need to either clay or wash with a strong shampoo (born to be mild won't be effective would it?) and then lime prime (or lime prime lite)?
Seems like I might need to get a pressure washer and a foam lance otherwise.

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 09:07 PM

If you don't want to go out and get lots of new kit - then 182's suggestion is a good one, use a paint cleanser or cleaner wax. If you already have Dodo Lime Prime - then that'll do, however I do recommend the Serious Performance paint cleanser - top stuff.

I prefer to get the car back to bare bones early in the wash process - hence using the lance with APC. As has been said, I wouldn't strip wax with clay, I don't class it as a bonded contaminent.

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 09:28 PM

Hmm, don't have a pressure washer or foam lance :unsure:.

So, If I were to strip the wax, I would need to either clay or wash with a strong shampoo (born to be mild won't be effective would it?) and then lime prime (or lime prime lite)?
Seems like I might need to get a pressure washer and a foam lance otherwise.

I have not read all the thread as I'm on iPhone so forgive me, but if I was you I would wash the car using your normal car wash, I would then clay the car , claying will prepare the surface for the wax/ glaze etc, it also leaves the paint feeling beautifully smooth :-), after this use the lime prime, then apply the wax as you wish , the car will look amazing I'm sure

Dont get me wrong, my wash, cleanse wax regime is quite heavy duty and I probably do far more than is ever needed or noticed, hence I try and help people by giving them an easy/ cheaper route to a good finish If that's what I feel they are wanting , I have been around detaling for many years and must have 6 polishing machines LOL (Including Flex, Metabo, Udm, Festool, even the old Porter cable)

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 10:04 PM

If you don't want to go out and get lots of new kit - then 182's suggestion is a good one, use a paint cleanser or cleaner wax. If you already have Dodo Lime Prime - then that'll do, however I do recommend the Serious Performance paint cleanser - top stuff.

I prefer to get the car back to bare bones early in the wash process - hence using the lance with APC. As has been said, I wouldn't strip wax with clay, I don't class it as a bonded contaminent.


Alternatively- would it be effective if I used the APC with a pressure sprayer instead of pressure washer?

If not I think I'll just wash the car and use lime prime lite/ SP cleanser as 182 suggested. I just wanted to get the info straight so when it comes to removing it, I'm not stuck. Thanks!

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 10:17 PM

Alternatively- would it be effective if I used the APC with a pressure sprayer instead of pressure washer?

If not I think I'll just wash the car and use lime prime lite/ SP cleanser as 182 suggested. I just wanted to get the info straight so when it comes to removing it, I'm not stuck. Thanks!

Put some APC in your wash bucket :D

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 10:30 PM

Ooh, can I do that? What dilution do you recommend? Shall I add with the shampoo or APC by itself? Thanks.

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 10:43 PM

Ooh, can I do that? What dilution do you recommend? Shall I add with the shampoo or APC by itself? Thanks.


20:1 should be effective, i would also add in shampoo.
Did not realise you mentioned pressure sprayer though,i would go for this. Think i went about 20:1 also with this spraying on and then rinsing off followed up by a wash,clay, paint cleaner :)

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Posted 23 April 2010 - 11:49 PM

The more the better really. If it were me, it would be one of BV and two of PH.

Actually, I will get involved in the stripping wax debate - stripping wax with clay seems to me to be a hugely laborious task. My recipe for stripping back is a strong APC solution (around 4:1 usually) in the foam lance. Does the job beautifully.

Yep clay is a long method. I mentioned too that certain shampoos are more efficient at the task. But for me, if I am stripping wax, then the likelihood is that I'm going to polish too, so clay will strip and also remove fallout and tar, which APC is not exactly ideal for (fallout removal that is). Polishing on top of only stripped paintwork wouldn't be particularly ideal for my needs. But everyone indeed has their own preferred ways of getting the job done and we will never all agree on everything (thank the gods else it'd be a dull world!).

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 06:21 AM

Dont get to hung up on stripping the wax, i doubt theres much on it anyway, the lime prime will sort it, enjoy the process

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Posted 24 April 2010 - 08:25 AM

Dont get to hung up on stripping the wax, i doubt theres much on it anyway, the lime prime will sort it, enjoy the process

Lol don't worry I won't! I just seem to collect a lot of motorway fallout on my car as I'm up and down the country every weekend. It's only a problem on the leading edges of the car but is surprising how bad it can get elsewhere too.

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