Jump to content


Photo

Engine flush


  • Please log in to reply
20 replies to this topic

#1 fiesta_lad

fiesta_lad

    Area Rep: Northwest

  • New Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,190 posts
  • Ford Model: fiesta mk5
  • Location:

Posted 23 September 2009 - 04:36 PM

Hi all next week iam getting a oil and fliter change on my fiesta 1.3i petrol 51 reg the guy at the garage has ask me do i want a engine flush while doing the oil and fliter so iam just wondering is this worth it and will it do the car any good. cheers alan.

Have something to contribute?

Sign in or register to start a topic...

Sign up to FOC Premium Membership To Remove These Ads

#2 Daveyraveygravy

Daveyraveygravy

    Newbie

  • New Member
  • Pip
  • 3 posts
  • Ford Model: Mondeo MK1
  • Location:

Posted 24 September 2009 - 09:25 AM

Hi all next week iam getting a oil and fliter change on my fiesta 1.3i petrol 51 reg the guy at the garage has ask me do i want a engine flush while doing the oil and fliter so iam just wondering is this worth it and will it do the car any good. cheers alan.


If i'm not mistaken, the engine in a 1.3 Fiesta of that vintage is the ancient 'endura' engine, not the more modern 1.25. Personally I would go for the flush so long as it wasn't too much extra money. I tend to flush prior to an oil change, but I just go to Halfrauds and buy the cheapest oil in there, drain out the old oil and put the cheap stuff in and run it for a couple of days then drain (and change the oil filter) and put new (decent) stuff in.

#3 fiesta_lad

fiesta_lad

    Area Rep: Northwest

  • New Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,190 posts
  • Ford Model: fiesta mk5
  • Location:

Posted 24 September 2009 - 10:06 AM

If i'm not mistaken, the engine in a 1.3 Fiesta of that vintage is the ancient 'endura' engine, not the more modern 1.25. Personally I would go for the flush so long as it wasn't too much extra money. I tend to flush prior to an oil change, but I just go to Halfrauds and buy the cheapest oil in there, drain out the old oil and put the cheap stuff in and run it for a couple of days then drain (and change the oil filter) and put new (decent) stuff in.


Hi it is the old endure e engine the tappy one lol but mines not :lol: the engine flush is only a extra 10 so i will give it a go see what happens.

#4 nutty

nutty

    Newbie

  • New Member
  • Pip
  • 7 posts
  • Ford Model: mondeo
  • Location:

Posted 31 January 2010 - 07:47 PM

Engine oil flushes can cause more problems than cures.....

Modern oils tend not to carbonise like they used to in the old days i.e you dont get a build up of the black crusty carbon accross the top of the rocker gear.. so if you've used a decent oil or a semi synthetic oil you dont need to spend the extra 10 for the garage upsell to inrease the profitabillity of an oil & filter change.

On the other hand... if you have an engine that has run on cheap oil & carbon has built up in the engine, flushing it will cause the cabon to break up & move it around the engine... this will not all come out of the sump when the plug is removed. This means that you now have a risk of carbon deposits being pumped around & potentially blocking oil pick-ups & oil gallery's.. Anyone old enough will remember the CVH engines, 20 minutes after flushing; the oil lights came on & you were removing the sump to unblock the pick up filters.

Also flushing agents tend to remove carbon build up from around piston rings, if you have a high mileage vehicle with a bit of wear on pistons, rings & bores ect the removal of this carbon could result in engines smoking through burning oil as the carbon was actually assising the oil scraper rings.

Whilst on the subject of additives... dont be taken in on fuel additives, you can pay upto 20 for fuel additives that will do nothing to improve your car. Again since the intro of unleaded fuel & fuel injection systems we dont suffer from carbon build up in combustion chambers or around the valves. The detergents in these fuel additives are the same as you are putting in the tank every time you fuel your car, the petrol manufacturer is already giving you all the cleaning agents you need.

Finally, I defy anyone to find a published document from Ford that recommends the use of engine or fuel additives... be aware that if you use such products while your car is within warranty & fuel or oil samples are requested any such products are considered as contamination & may result in claims being rejected...

Regards Mark

#5 DONFRAMAC

DONFRAMAC

    Feet Under The Table

  • New Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 235 posts
  • Ford Model: Fiesta Mk6 1.25 Zetec Climate '58 reg

Posted 31 January 2010 - 09:20 PM

This car is '51 reg, and is clearly the ROCAM unit which relies on 9 hydraulic capsules, all prone to grit problems. (the 9th one provides the thrust to the timing chain tensioner.) I would strongly reccommend the use of a good flushing agent e.g. "FORTE" brand. That was used by my Rover dealer at every annual service, as all K-series and the 2.0 Rover TD engines were hydraulic-tappet units, as was the Range-Rover/Buick derived V8.
You can avoid regular flushing by doing 6-monthly oil & filter changes, and you WILL notice an improvement in your engine's quietness/smoothness.
( at '51 reg you should be thinking of doing your auxilliary belt/tensioner renewal, and maybe water pump/thermostat/antifreeze/brake fluid. If the cam chain is still quiet, the 100,000 mile renewal advice should hold good.)

#6 fiesta_lad

fiesta_lad

    Area Rep: Northwest

  • New Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,190 posts
  • Ford Model: fiesta mk5
  • Location:

Posted 01 February 2010 - 09:03 PM

Engine oil flushes can cause more problems than cures.....

Modern oils tend not to carbonise like they used to in the old days i.e you dont get a build up of the black crusty carbon accross the top of the rocker gear.. so if you've used a decent oil or a semi synthetic oil you dont need to spend the extra 10 for the garage upsell to inrease the profitabillity of an oil & filter change.

On the other hand... if you have an engine that has run on cheap oil & carbon has built up in the engine, flushing it will cause the cabon to break up & move it around the engine... this will not all come out of the sump when the plug is removed. This means that you now have a risk of carbon deposits being pumped around & potentially blocking oil pick-ups & oil gallery's.. Anyone old enough will remember the CVH engines, 20 minutes after flushing; the oil lights came on & you were removing the sump to unblock the pick up filters.

Also flushing agents tend to remove carbon build up from around piston rings, if you have a high mileage vehicle with a bit of wear on pistons, rings & bores ect the removal of this carbon could result in engines smoking through burning oil as the carbon was actually assising the oil scraper rings.

Whilst on the subject of additives... dont be taken in on fuel additives, you can pay upto 20 for fuel additives that will do nothing to improve your car. Again since the intro of unleaded fuel & fuel injection systems we dont suffer from carbon build up in combustion chambers or around the valves. The detergents in these fuel additives are the same as you are putting in the tank every time you fuel your car, the petrol manufacturer is already giving you all the cleaning agents you need.

Finally, I defy anyone to find a published document from Ford that recommends the use of engine or fuel additives... be aware that if you use such products while your car is within warranty & fuel or oil samples are requested any such products are considered as contamination & may result in claims being rejected...

Regards Mark


Did'nt get a engine flush back in september after reading various reviews it was not worth it the oil that gets used in my car is semi synthetic every week or so i check my oil and i hardly don't top up which is a good thing :D

#7 Purdy fpv

Purdy fpv

    Feet Under The Table

  • New Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 194 posts
  • Ford Model: Puma 1.7 VCT

Posted 01 February 2010 - 09:26 PM

Hi

As your Fiesta has a endure e engine you are better off getting the tappets adjusted regularly.
My last Fiesta had a endure e engine and I used to have that tappets done every six moths. The car purred like a kitten. No rattles at all.

#8 fiesta_lad

fiesta_lad

    Area Rep: Northwest

  • New Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,190 posts
  • Ford Model: fiesta mk5
  • Location:

Posted 01 February 2010 - 09:33 PM

Hi ive only had the tappets done once that was august 2008 or somewere around then its fairly quiet now but my girlfriend knows when iam comeing down the road. :lol:

#9 Purdy fpv

Purdy fpv

    Feet Under The Table

  • New Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 194 posts
  • Ford Model: Puma 1.7 VCT

Posted 01 February 2010 - 10:08 PM

Hi ive only had the tappets done once that was august 2008 or somewere around then its fairly quiet now but my girlfriend knows when iam comeing down the road. :lol:

According to the ford service schedule they should be done every year. So Ford will adjust them as part of the service package at no extra cost.

However non Ford deals do not do tappets as part of a service and charge extra. Adjusting tappets is a dieing art as the next generation of mechanics are not being taught how to do them.

However It is an easy thing to do and if you can find a trust worthy mechanic and get them adjusted every year. That engine will last forever. The body shell would fall away first!

#10 fiesta_lad

fiesta_lad

    Area Rep: Northwest

  • New Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,190 posts
  • Ford Model: fiesta mk5
  • Location:

Posted 01 February 2010 - 11:23 PM

Had the the tappets done last time for i think 20 car was alot quiet after tho

#11 Purdy fpv

Purdy fpv

    Feet Under The Table

  • New Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 194 posts
  • Ford Model: Puma 1.7 VCT

Posted 05 February 2010 - 10:23 PM

Had the the tappets done last time for i think 20 car was alot quiet after tho

20 is a Good price for that. Worth every penny.

#12 artscot79

artscot79

    Ford Enthusiast

  • True Ford Enthusiast
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,338 posts
  • Name: arthur
  • Ford Model: focus mk2 ti-vct
  • Year: 2006
  • Location: Fife

Posted 14 February 2010 - 09:38 PM

20 is a Good price for that. Worth every penny.



if the oil he drains is bad then yes flush if not then dont flushing can cause all sorts of problems including blocking pick up tubes the only time we flush is when its a head gasket job

#13 chris bowman

chris bowman

    Feet Under The Table

  • New Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 255 posts
  • Ford Model: ford mondeo 2.0lx tdci 115

Posted 17 February 2010 - 11:18 PM

worked for a motor factor in cornwall many years ago and was sent to an stp presentation which was very confusing. the basic message over an hour or so was that the benefits of oil additives could be very beneficial however if u use the wrong addidtives u could damage ure engine to destruction!!??!! how confusing is that!!!

#14 fiesta_lad

fiesta_lad

    Area Rep: Northwest

  • New Member
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,190 posts
  • Ford Model: fiesta mk5
  • Location:

Posted 17 February 2010 - 11:27 PM

Sounds confuseing lol the only additives i use it what i put in the petrol tank then through in a full tank of petrol its called lucas.

#15 chris bowman

chris bowman

    Feet Under The Table

  • New Member
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 255 posts
  • Ford Model: ford mondeo 2.0lx tdci 115

Posted 17 February 2010 - 11:43 PM

i would suggest using quality oil and changing it on time so there is no need to use additives or engine flush to clear out crap!

Have something to contribute?

Sign in or register to start a topic...


Not what you're looking for?

Register now, we have a huge community of enthusiasts to answer any questions you might have



0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users