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#1 tdci stevie

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 12:45 PM

I need some advice please with my 2004 mondeo 2.0 tdci, its covered 58,000 miles recent full service, bottle of wynns injector cleaner a good thrashing and still im getting funny idling...
When its cold or im in reverse gear (800rpm) its fine idling smooth, But when its warnmed a little the revs drop to around 750 and the needle bounces slightly and theres a slight juddery noise.
Have put it on my diagnostic sealey and there are no trouble codes stored or pending.
Have cleaned EGR valve (just incase)
When on diagnostic live data option it only makes this noise when the rpm is below 755 rpm, when it is above 755rpm its fine...?
I had a different couple of mechanics have a quick peep at the Aux tensioner pulley and they said that makes a rattly noise so cant be that (but i dont know) :unsure:
Does anyone know what my problem is or can point me in the right direction..?
Would like to try and fix this one myself if possible as funds are low at the moment and dont want to be ripped off at a garage.
Any help most appreciated.

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#2 mintalkin

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 02:04 PM

mondy tdci can be fuel sensitive supermarket fuel can sometimes cause a low tickover, you could try an ecu reset so the engine can relearn the running peramiters, but make sure you know your radio code.
http://fordwiki.co.u...x.php/ECU_Reset

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Posted 11 October 2009 - 06:30 PM

Will look into this, and give it a go, worth a shot as its free lol, hope its that easy fix......
Any other ideas will be appreciated.....

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Posted 16 October 2009 - 08:01 PM

Have now changed aux tensioner pulley and aux belt, disconected battery/ecu reset, improved BUT not 100%, still a little decrease in revs/vibration noise in that area (auxilary belt area), every now and then so confusing the F@*k out of me......!
Any help with this problem most appriciated...?

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 07:07 AM

Any other help would be appreciated...?
Could this be the Crankshaft Pulley now....?
Its only covered 59,000 miles.....? :unsure:
The Tensioner Pulley was easy to change when i got stuck in, lots of garages were telling me the engine had to be hoisted so far up to get to it and others said about jacking the engine up.........!
But all it was, was to take the alternator off and support bracket

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 02:26 PM

Could be your idle control valve. Don't know where it's located though

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 02:30 PM

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 02:30 PM

Triple post! iPhone playing up

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 03:16 PM

An I.C.V on a diesel engine i thiught they were on a petrol lump

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 04:18 PM

Sorry. Still getting used 2 the Internet on this phone. Never noticed the TDCi part. Your right so it can't be that! Lol

The mondeos had a problem with the hydraulic tensioner for the alternator belt. Was known to cause rough idle amongst other things. Not sure if they were only been fitted to the 2ltr st's so check you've got one.

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Posted 21 October 2009 - 06:44 PM

Have changed the alternator belt and tensioner pulley there not hydraulic on these engines, someone suggested to me maybe injector recode or the pilot injector...........? :unsure:

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Posted 23 October 2009 - 07:08 PM

An injector re-code may solve the problem but as far as am aware that's a ford job (etis)

An injector overhaull is more likley to produce better results. There's a good place near my way that does it. Not used the personally but a guy I used to work for swears by them. Try google for a place your end.

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 08:14 AM

Im going to try one last thing before taking it to fords...
I will this weekend use most of the supermarket fuel thats in there, then get some good quality injector cleaner then refill the tank with diesel from B.P or Esso as a friend told me he had similiar problem in is bmw diesel when using asda fuel as it doesnt contain any detergent and b.p, esso etc. do, he heard it from a tanker driver... anyway he said since using premium fuel he has not had any problems and would not reccomend using supermaket fuel...
i will post results if it does the job

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 04:31 PM

Im going to try one last thing before taking it to fords...
I will this weekend use most of the supermarket fuel thats in there, then get some good quality injector cleaner then refill the tank with diesel from B.P or Esso as a friend told me he had similiar problem in is bmw diesel when using asda fuel as it doesnt contain any detergent and b.p, esso etc. do, he heard it from a tanker driver... anyway he said since using premium fuel he has not had any problems and would not reccomend using supermaket fuel...
i will post results if it does the job



staistics say that shell deisal is the best because its the only fuel that exceeds european standards by miles
all the others only just reach the mark!

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Posted 28 October 2009 - 07:28 PM

Right ran it down too almost empty (46 miles remaining on trip comp) chucked in a wynns bottle of injector cleaner, then filled up 20 of SHELL EXTRA - give it a good thrashing about for 80 miles, slight improvement must be down to wynns, so then put another 15 of Shell extra diesel in her upto now 150 + miles since using premium fuel and im suprised of outcome......
1st much improved performance.
2nd smoother driving
3rd 2-3 m.p.g gain
4th improved my idling/hunting problem but not 100% say improved by 85%.
So it is worth while getting rid of supermarket fuel at 1.05 to shell 1.07 a litre, just wish i could get it to idle smooth but it is a fords at the end of the day l.o.l

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