Ken.K Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Hello all, I was meant to turn right got to the traffic light it was green but did not occur to be that the turn right signal was red and the straight on was green i went past and turned right. No flash would there be a camera Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Digital cameras don't need to flash so if there was a camera you might receive a nice letter in the post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.K Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 Digital cameras don't need to flash so if there was a camera you might receive a nice letter in the post! Just a fine or with points? Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Ken.K said: Just a fine or with points? Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk Unfortunately (or is it fortunately) I've never been captured by a traffic light camera so couldn't say what you get when/if caught but I'm sure some one 'in the know' will confirm the procedure shortly. update: just been informed by sons fiancé that her brother received a fine AND points (3) on his licence. Not sure if there will be a difference between the procedure between Scotland - England. Edited September 20, 2016 by Russ Added to the post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPL Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 Traffic light cameras do my head in. The urge to brake sharply (and dangerously) when there is one there is overwhelming. That or crawl up to the lights at well below the speed limit. Lights always seem to want to change on me when they have a yellow piggy bank next to them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.K Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 Traffic light cameras do my head in. The urge to brake sharply (and dangerously) when there is one there is overwhelming. That or crawl up to the lights at well below the speed limit. Lights always seem to want to change on me when they have a yellow piggy bank next to them. How long does it take to get a penalty notice in the post cos now this will give me sleepless nights. Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPL Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 1 minute ago, Ken.K said: How long does it take to get a penalty notice in the post cos now this will give me sleepless nights. Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk I understand that penalty notices have to be served within 2 weeks. So allow a few days more than that for postal delays, I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.K Posted September 20, 2016 Author Share Posted September 20, 2016 How long does it take to get a penalty notice in the post cos now this will give me sleepless nights. Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk I understand that penalty notices have to be served within 2 weeks. So allow a few days more than that for postal delays, I'd say. Damn it so 3 weeks. 😢😢😢 Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney871 Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 http://www.motorlawyers.co.uk/procedure/notice_of_intended_prosecution.php Sent from my SM-G930F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.K Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 http://www.motorlawyers.co.uk/procedure/notice_of_intended_prosecution.php Sent from my SM-G930F Cheers stoney it says discretionary so might be a yes or no about the points. Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.K Posted October 12, 2016 Author Share Posted October 12, 2016 It has been 3 weeks and a day today and no letters yet in the post. If the letter does come is ut invalid Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simcor Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 On 20/09/2016 at 11:41 PM, GaryPL said: I understand that penalty notices have to be served within 2 weeks. So allow a few days more than that for postal delays, I'd say. This myth needs putting to bed, all they have to do is issue the NIP within 14 days of the offence, it does not have to reach you within that amount of days, in fact it might not reach you at all knowing royal fail, but as long as it has been issued by the force within 14 days it is valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simcor Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 13 hours ago, Ken.K said: It has been 3 weeks and a day today and no letters yet in the post. If the letter does come is ut invalid Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk No see my post above, it only has to be issued within 14 days, whether you receive it or not is irrelevant. Chances are you probably wont get one, did you even check if the lights have a signal camera on them? Some lights have a traffic signal camera, some have a speed camera and traffic signal camera, but not every set of lights do have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScaniaPBman Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Ken, If your name and address are correct on your V5C Registration Certificate then you are in the clear. If they are not, then you not clear as the notification will go to the V5C current address. ScaniaPBman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.K Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 Ken, If your name and address are correct on your V5C Registration Certificate then you are in the clear. If they are not, then you not clear as the notification will go to the V5C current address. ScaniaPBman Of course my name and address are correct on the V5C. I know this cos I have received a parking fine once. But surely if it was issued within 14 days I should have had it by now. Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMX Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 33 minutes ago, Ken.K said: But surely if it was issued within 14 days I should have had it by now. I would've thought so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmurray01 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Ken.K said: Of course my name and address are correct on the V5C. I know this cos I have received a parking fine once. But surely if it was issued within 14 days I should have had it by now. Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk Agreed, but if it was issued but not delivered for some reason (Royal Mail failure...) then you are still liable, is what Simon was alluding to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.K Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 Of course my name and address are correct on the V5C. I know this cos I have received a parking fine once. But surely if it was issued within 14 days I should have had it by now. Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk Agreed, but if it was issued but not delivered for some reason (Royal Mail failure...) then you are still liable, is what Simon was alluding to. How am I still liable for a crime I was not notified of and even did not have a chance to appeal etc. So what you saying is that if I did not get a letter with the 100 quid fine I could then receive another one for 1000 pounds or a court order. Just cos I did get the first one. Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmurray01 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Ken.K said: Agreed, but if it was issued but not delivered for some reason (Royal Mail failure...) then you are still liable, is what Simon was alluding to. How am I still liable for a crime I was notified of and even did not have a chance to appeal etc. So what you saying is that if I did not get a letter with the 100 quid fine I could then receive another one for 1000 pounds or a court order. Just cos I did get the first one. Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk As far as I'm aware - yes. Because how are they meant to know you didn't receive the first letter (if indeed there was one)? Obviously you could then appeal and state that you didn't receive the first letter, probably succeeding in getting it downgraded to the original fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPL Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 8 hours ago, simcor said: This myth needs putting to bed, all they have to do is issue the NIP within 14 days of the offence, it does not have to reach you within that amount of days, in fact it might not reach you at all knowing royal fail, but as long as it has been issued by the force within 14 days it is valid. You've sought to correct me why? I haven't pedalled any myth. You essentially just agreed with me when I said "allow a few days for postal delays". It is correct to say that he should be ok if he hasn't heard anything after 2 weeks plus a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simcor Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, GaryPL said: You've sought to correct me why? I haven't pedalled any myth. You essentially just agreed with me when I said "allow a few days for postal delays". It is correct to say that he should be ok if he hasn't heard anything after 2 weeks plus a few days. It was just a reply to the myth that people often pedal around about it has to be received within 14 days. Wasn't aimed at you personally. As I and others have pointed out they merely have to issue it within 14 days of the offence, it does not have to arrive on your doorstep within the 14 days or even at all as long as it was issues then it's valid. The police have 6 months I believe to take any action regarding a NIP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney871 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The 14 day rule relates only to the period of time in which the Police/Process Unit must serve the original Notice. The Police do not have to prove that the Notice reached its intended recipient within 14 days, merely that they believe that it arrived, but there may be a defence available if the intended recipient can convince a Court that the notice did not arrive in time or at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney871 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 http://www.motorlawyers.co.uk/procedure/notice_of_intended_prosecution.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.K Posted October 13, 2016 Author Share Posted October 13, 2016 http://www.motorlawyers.co.uk/procedure/notice_of_intended_prosecution.php Hello Stone I have seen that cos you shared earlier when I asked the question. Cheers again. I guess I just have to wait and see. Only cameras I saw was a CCTV camera Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simcor Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Stoney871 said: The 14 day rule relates only to the period of time in which the Police/Process Unit must serve the original Notice. The Police do not have to prove that the Notice reached its intended recipient within 14 days, merely that they believe that it arrived, but there may be a defence available if the intended recipient can convince a Court that the notice did not arrive in time or at all. It would prove difficult to prove you had not received the NIP though, and what are the chances of convincing a court it did not arrive. That whole issue would not exist if NIP's were sent recorded delivery as someone would have to sign for it therefore proof it was delivered. But I guess it comes down to cost and extra effort and time. Not even a dig at the police or whoever, but so many authorities etc insist on recorded delivery when we send them mail that is important, yet important documents sent by them are sent in normal mail. Oh well just the way it is I guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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