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#16 S666LER

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 08:01 PM

Lol this remind me of the vxr online forum now, oh well anyways forgot to ring hidsdirect today so will ring them tomorrow, I will also ask about a group buy see if they will offer anything.

Well if changing the headlight bulbs voids my warrenty then its balls up already as its got different sidelights aswell!!!!arrgghh the gates of fire await me!arggh and indicator bulbs :lol: :angry: ;) :lol:


Meh...

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 08:33 PM

HID's Legal or illegal - answered :)

Thanks to ZSOC (Zetec S Owner Club)

Aftermarket HID headlamps



In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon.However If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.

The following is the legal rationale:

The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).

For the after market, a Used Vehicle Cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.[/color]

Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:

1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.

2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).

3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.
In practice this means:

1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.

2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension- some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam. [/color]

3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.

Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.

In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.


If you require any further information regarding the regulations covered by this fact sheet, please contact the DfT at the address below:

Transport Technology and Standards 6
Department for Transport
Zone 2/04
Great Minster House
76 Marsham Street Telephone: 020 7944 2078
London Fax: 020 7944 2196
SW1P 4DR Email: TTS.enquiries@dft.gsi.gov.uk

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 10:24 PM

Oh, and watch your warranty go thrpough the window. Hope you don't have any electrical faults that need sorting.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 10:58 PM

Everyones like 'woaooaaaaaa they void your warranty' or 'wooaoaoaa you'll fail MOT'
1. No MOT for three years
2. It'll take all of 10mins out of my day to remove them and put in normal bulbs thus not voiding my warranty. :lol:

It's personal preference really, S66LER let me know how you get on :)

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 11:29 PM

2. It'll take all of 10mins out of my day to remove them and put in normal bulbs thus not voiding my warranty. :lol:


Not as simple as that mate, you will have ballasts and all sorts to remove as well. Each to their own.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 11:46 PM

Just gonna stick with some Philips bulbs :D

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 12:35 AM

this is just my opinion but i dislike HID headlights, the generally tend to be set up wrong and often blind me when i pass other cars with them on.

if you think your cars headlights need to be mega bright then i think you need an eye test, when i used to ride my bike with a not very bright full beam i could see perfectly well, even on country roads at night. no need for hid's imo.

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 12:56 AM

no need for hid's imo.


Unless they are OEM, if they were available as an option I would have got them.

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 08:06 AM

Everyones like 'woaooaaaaaa they void your warranty' or 'wooaoaoaa you'll fail MOT'
1. No MOT for three years
2. It'll take all of 10mins out of my day to remove them and put in normal bulbs thus not voiding my warranty. :lol:

It's personal preference really, S66LER let me know how you get on :)


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You do realise it's an offence to drive the car if it's not roadworthy, which it won't be, whether you have an MOT or not.

Also, do you know nothing will be recorded on the ECU if you change lights and wire in ballasts etc that are required to run the HID's.

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 11:44 AM

hahaha! If you think that fitting HIDs illegally to a car is 'living a little' then I dont think you can really lecture anybody, as you must live a sad little life. If thats your idea of fun then there's no hope for you! :lol:

Sorry but I cant seem to find my "I drive everywhere breaking the speed limit thread" could you do me a favour and point it out to me :P .........................or not :lol:

You'll gain nothing from your silly HID kit. Well except for
- Waste of time
- Waste of money
- Voided warranty
- Illegal lights
- Blinding other drivers with ya bodge job
but then again thats your idea of fun :blink:

Dont get me wrong mate, if you had a focus or a mondeo and you were changing to proper Ford Xenon systems I wouldn't have a problem. But you aint are you? You're being a pillock and other (far more responsable) road users are going to be subject to your foolishness. Just for the sake of you and you HID's.

Grow up, get a life, and consider what effect your actions have


I wish I was such a law-abiding citizen like yourself

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 12:02 PM

And by the way, the alignment will not change when you replace the standards, but if for some rare reason you mess it up, you can get them realigned at your local mot station.. this is the only reason they'd fail you on an mot

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 12:08 PM

Wrong, They would fail on no headlight washers and self levelling light system aswell

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 12:30 PM

i think we might have a few potentail piggies coming up through the ranks :rolleyes:

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 01:03 PM

i think we might have a few potentail piggies coming up through the ranks :rolleyes:


lol :lol:

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Posted 21 January 2010 - 03:30 PM

i think we might have a few potentail piggies coming up through the ranks :rolleyes:



nah, most of what's been said about HID's by the detractors is correct, something Piggy failed to grasp. ;)

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