Because we all have to live in the real world, where trading off the safety against the cost is a reality.
Commonsense needs to be used when applying the rule “ New to Rear”
Now you may laugh or be a confused [considering what I said in my first post] when I tell you the tyres
on my car, by axle and years on there, are as follows.
Rear axle put on as a new set : 21st October 2010 tread depth 7.95mm
Front axle put on as a new set: 22nd August 2011 tread depth 7.95mm
Here is the common sense approach explained:
You see when the fronts came to be replaced with new tyres, the rears although having been on for 10 months already, had 7.13mm of tread on them.
So the Rears had been on 2 years 11 months with 6.10mm tread depth on 28th Sep 2013
And the Fronts had been on 2 years 1 month with 5.46mm tread depth on same date.
As you see, the rears are now sporting the greater tread depth overall.
Now there is nothing haphazard about my tyre management, it is done on a planned basis. I inspect tyre
pressures regulary, adjust dependent on load, and inspect wear rate and wear pattern [with digital gauge] twice a year.
As has been said fronts being the drive and steering wheels wear at a greater rate of knots than the rears. In my case on the same brand of tyre on both axles over the last 8,154 miles.
The wear rate is as follows:
Fronts wear down 1.00mm of tread every 3,275 miles
Rears wear down 1.00mm of tread every 7,765 miles
The wear rate factor depends on style of driving, ratio of motorway driving against urban, so not a hard and fixed ratio. My last 6,714 miles has been a mixture of 37% touring [a lot of motorway miles] and the rest country roads and urban type mileage
Anyway come May 2014 [ on current usage mileage] the tyre tread depths should read circa:
And at this point in time they will be swopped onto opposing axles. This means if I were to keep the car until April 2016 the fronts would be down to circa 3.15mm ands the rears 3.51mm.
You see the "The New to the Rear" rule is applied if your rears are well worn. Lets say New tyres are 8.00mm, your tyres on rear are 2.60mm! The tread depth ratio difference between my tryes when axle swopped will be much closer, plus I'm using Optigrips [see below]
So, what do you reckon? Listen to the professional, or should I swap them over when I get home?
Thanks in advance .
Thats right listen to the professional, unfortuneately the guy you are listening to is obviously not a professional. He is a tyre monkey, tomorrow he could be cleaning windows.
Watch why and listen to the advice offered by proper professionals All be it the video is fronted by a motoring journalist I suspect.
If there are two things you should get right on your car above all other things, it is tyre / brake management and maintainance.
You would really have to be brain dead to watch that video and then think.................right its the front axle for those two new tyres. If the monkey wont fit the tyres on the axle you want them fit on, go else where, where they will. If it was me I'd go elsewhere in any case
Sorry lads you all got it wrong, I mean I wrote a thread on the very issue eons ago, Jeeb, Lenny, artscot79 you cannot all have been asleep
from your post and posts over on the Volvo DieselDPF recallthread started May 2010, which I linked to at the beginning of this thread [ now 41 pages long with 31,127 views and 409 replies to date] I have gleaned Ford, Mazda and Volvo now have a Diesel in Engine Oil" contamination warning light.
So the problem is indeed real and ongoing, and think on never mind diesel destroying the lubricating properties of the engine oil. In worst cases, it could lead to self fuelling of the engine.......... a runaway car. Just think wife's out in the car and that happens!
As to your remarks about the wife's petrol variant, I totally agree. I bought a 04 reg S40 2.0 turbo diesel Volvo back in Jan 2008 in total ignorance of the implications of DPF's. And that was before the issue of engine oil contamination came to light, to be fair I never experienced any DPF issues in nine months of ownership, but I moved it on and came back to a petrol Focus.
And that is why I started this thread back in Sept 2010 to warn others. Now I'm no expert on DPF's or the law. But that said, had I at The Point Of Sale been made aware of the potential for issues with DPF's equipped cars, given certain driving styles and conditions. Then I would not have bought the car in the first place. So IMHO I reckon any purchaser themselves not made aware of those issuse could contest that the Contract of Sale was null and void. Obviously I'd run that opinion past your local Trading Standards Office, and or a decent lawyer before I'd go down that path.
Myself, I reckon my next car [ two years down the road when it's purchase price is circa 50% off it's List Price when new] will be the new out this year Focus 1.0 125 Ecoboost .................I'm a patient kind of guy who puts conserving his hard earned cash before the impulse for instant gratification.
Ron please keep the board informed as to how you go on at the dealers. As all input adds to the knowledge base that we all use when we hit the web search button on our PC's ...........long may the Internet empower the masses, in the face of Big Moneys attempts to bury the Truth, whatever the issue in question is.
The drl's must be a maximum of 400mm from the outer edge of the car as taken from that halfords info. I don't think there's a minimum distance between them but I could be wrong.
Now I come to think about it reesmew I think your right, because I've just been out to the car with the tape measure again.
And considering Plan A was: the only place I reckon they would look right on my Mk2 is in the lower part of the "fish mouth" opening directly below the licence plate.But on measuring it from the outer edge of the car, they fell outside that measurement [500mm] but the height from the ground would have been OK at 300mm.
Plan B: I then looked at mounting them flush in that black plastic section above the spot light housing. It would have meant not only cutting into that black trim but also in to the plastic bumper behind it. Now I was not 100% sure I would miss the crash bar that is positioned behind the bumper . Then for them to fit flush they would have been pointing not straight in front but slightly to the outside of straight ahead......could they be a nuisance to on coming traffic? Would cutting out the bumper and black trim weaken both when tying to clip the black trim in .
In the end I thought to many what ifs to be considered for the sake of trying to do a mod my car does not really need.
Now considering what artscot79 said re MOT testers, guy who does my servicing also does my MOT testing so I'm 99% sure Plan A would be fine with him.
jeebowhite re the sig,
I just thought if anybody kicks off because they misunderstand my intentions. I can just refer them to my sig instead of resorting to handbags at dawn
Just an observation [don't shoot the messenger] yours don't appear to conform to the legal requirement.
When I was looking into fitting something similar I found height wise I was OK. But fell foul of the requirement that they needed to be a minimum of 400mm apart. So in the end, not wanting to risk invalidating my insurance cover I decided to not bother.
And james_60 as your last post/question was directed to all thread participants.....yes I did read your quotes from your manual. And I thought that's good of James to copy all that info down, but I did not realise you wanted an accolade for doing it
I myself can write pieces on a thread subject that some on here may consider boarder on challenging Leo Tolstoy's epic War and Peace And some posts even appear to become the grave stone that marks the end of a threads interesting life............but as I'm not "needy" I don't take it personally
But in all seriousness, as the post in question was directed to artscot79 ...............I reckon he owes you a box of chocolates or possibly an oil filter as an act of contrition.
And Chutney, jeebo is right, he bought a motor he thought was the "dogs whatsits" ...............I mean come on who doesn't. You don't go to a dealers look at a motor and think I reckon I could have a load of hassle with that motor but I'll buy it anyway. As it turned out it was the spawn of Satan.
Well Jamie PM'ed me his VIN, I rang our freindley Ford Dealer Parts Desk, he looked it up, then went and spoke to a technician. and come back with an answer.
And guess what, it's eat my hat time Oh your a set of happy bunnies, you have the newer non maintenance DPF. So I asked Andy [because I did not want 20 Vin's in my PM box ] What denotes it's the newer DPf, now he thought it must be the Stage V Emissions Designation.[he was not sure hence he went and asked a techi which one it was, and he said he had worked on a V emissions one and it did not need the eloy's additive, nor was there provision for it. So there you go, like I said sorted with a phone call.........simples
Wow catch that makes you sound ever so intelligent
You reckon, all you need is the ability to understand simple maths......ah I see where your coming from now.
And you know what intelligence means to a women ;-).
Your speaking for all women kind now, was that a self promotion you slipped in there But I'll run with it for now for the sake of this conversation. Let me guess, is it a "turn off" ? Are you saying you would not be attracted to a partner with a modicum of intelligence?
Sounds like you have a brilliant job not many of them around these days
Jobs, professions call them what you will, are what you make of them. Besides the last time I picked up a pay check was back in 1976, so it's not one I'll be getting sacked from. And unlike some I dare say, I ain't posting on here while somebody is supposedly paying me to work.
And no I'm not imagining it I did 40 mpg when I first bought my focus. I know this because my daughter lives down south and filled my car to the brim. I deducted the motorway bit and my figure came to 40mpg.
Hardly what you would define as a "back tested" mathematical strategy to come up with irrefutable proof of your claims. But you now what Zev I'm definitely warming to your naivety.
My husband rechecked it and he came to the same figure
I refer you to an earlier answer
Look all joking apart, Fords official figures for the urban cycle are 32.5 mpg for the 1.6 petrol engine in your Focus. The web is full of threads of people complaining they get no where near that figure. So to say in "town" driving you were achieving nigh on 40 mpg is well you know.......
We do a lot of town driving, all be it short trips on a cold engine and lucky to hit 21 mpg. OK I can get my trip computer to record 59.50 mpg if I'm in fifth gear on the motorway and maintain an average of circa 54 mph with out applying the brakes. But that is resetting the trips once I'm in fifth gear, and taking the reading prior to changing down gears to exit the motorway. And that was on a short six mile trip. Besides the dash trip can be out anywhere between 5 to 10 percent, meaning its discrepancy is not consistent.
I can hit 55 mpg on country A roads before I hit traffic, or my brakes, or urbanisations, again that is driving like a granny.
But in the real world, where I'm not playing the "how many mpg's can I get out of the car" driving like this, game. The numbers tell a totally different story.
Last year we did 5,576 miles, of which 2,146 miles [38%] of that mileage was mostly bombing along the motorway for touring holidays. On those trips I brimmed tank before we set off and brimmed tank when we get back home. We recorded on three different trips 35.05 mpg M6 to Cornwall, 35.91 mpg A1[M] to Northumberland, and 37.55 mpg A1[M] Maidstone in Kent, eked a few more mpg out of it because I was sticking at no more than 70 mph as we had the In Laws on board.
Now the other 3,530 miles not down to holiday mileage, was a mix of country A roads and town and urbanisation driving, returning 31.24 mpg, with an overall annual consumption of 32.84 mpg
Interestingly this year prior to any holiday mileage being undertaken we are returning on 2,056 miles covered, 31.17 mpg. That's 0.07 mpg less than last years average for a similar type of mileage covered. No doubt that is the consequence of fitting a pair of new Goodyear OptiGrip tyres just two days prior to said mileage being covered. Those tyres being renowned for.....well being grippy
There are all kinds of variants to add to any mix, with speed, driving style and traffic conditions being the principle ones. But the golden rule in data analysis is, the further back the data goes the more reliable it is.......my daughter did this and I subtracted that on a one off event cannot be defined as data you can rely on.
Trust me Zev, if your getting circa 32 mpg out of your car in town driving, you definitely ain't got a problem.
You wouldn't still be having a pop at me would you catch. Lol Zev
Nay Zev, now you've told me how irresistible you are to the opposite !Removed!, I'd obviously be mad to have a go at you.
Now I hope your not imagining it, like you achieving just short of 40mpg around town in a 1.6 petrol Focus. I'd be writing to the Guinness Book of records with that one
Oh the reason I can reply quickly sometimes to your posts, is not because I await your every word, sorry to disappoint. No I sit here in front of three PC screens for my sins. I monitor real time streaming numerical and economic data. And as there are plenty times actions by me are not required, I can visit the boards. That and my email program is set to check the mail every two minutes. So there you go, things to learn, advice to give,legs to pull..........it all pads the day out.