Hamster Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Hi folks There has been some news reports this morning (TV and Daily Mail) highlighting the vulnerabilities of key-less entry and engine start-up. If it's possible, keep your key-less keys in the microwave oven (don't cook them though). Alternatively keep them in a metal tin (eat the sweets first) or a foil lined plastic tub. Hamster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tootles Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 or just buy a Faraday pouch from e-bay or amazon. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4X-Genuine-Faraday-Guard-Bag-Keyless-Entry-Fob-Signal-Blocker-Theft-Car-Pouch/253761973176?epid=13013126149&hash= 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiek Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Aye a metal box is fine, and don't forget about your spare key fobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sealiedog Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 I bought a metal cash box from eBay so I can keep all my keys in it, only a tenner. Other key is in metal filing cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjM Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Does a simple metal key box work as a Faraday cage? I only ask as a few years ago I opened my car from inside a shipping container (different car, part of an experiment nothing to do with keyless)? Has anyone actually tested this or are we blindly following it cos someone on the net said so? 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbird1975 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I had a Faraday bag and that was ok for a few months. Apparently it wore out and no longer works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge of Reason Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 It would depend on how good the metal box was at blocking the signals. Aluminium is proven to work, but I assume your metal box is steal. Try it and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sealiedog Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I'll test mine tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonb65 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 21 hours ago, AjM said: Does a simple metal key box work as a Faraday cage? I only ask as a few years ago I opened my car from inside a shipping container (different car, part of an experiment nothing to do with keyless)? Has anyone actually tested this or are we blindly following it cos someone on the net said so? 😀 Not necessarily! A fully enclosed metal case around an object will only attenuate (reduce) the signal level by a certain amount, but not block it completely. Especially a box that is made from a ferrous material. That will 'conduct' the magnetism associated with radio waves. If you place a box in a box (with a suitable separating gap ALL the way around it), you will achieve better results. If your really interested, here is a good article that explains the physics ... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303291124_Material_Analysis_and_Application_for_Radio_Frequency_Electromagnetic_Wave_Shielding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiek Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 On 10/4/2018 at 10:27 AM, eddiek said: Aye a metal box is fine, and don't forget about your spare key fobs. Update to above, I gave it a try and the metal box on its own didn`t shield the radio signal. Step 2, wrapped key in tin foil and then placed in metal box, Result. Walked right up to car and it couldn`t detect key. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge of Reason Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 On 12/5/2018 at 12:42 PM, eddiek said: Update to above, I gave it a try and the metal box on its own didn`t shield the radio signal. Step 2, wrapped key in tin foil and then placed in metal box, Result. Walked right up to car and it couldn`t detect key. Bit of a pain though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavesEdge Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 12:57 PM, AjM said: Does a simple metal key box work as a Faraday cage? I only ask as a few years ago I opened my car from inside a shipping container (different car, part of an experiment nothing to do with keyless)? Has anyone actually tested this or are we blindly following it cos someone on the net said so? 😀 Hi All I purchased a pair of these "Rf Blocking" pouches and a wallet from amazon a short while back. With key in pouch, could walk right up to car, but could not unlock it until took key right out of pouch. Now all keys kept in pouches as secondary line of defence. Happy motoring Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiek Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 18 hours ago, Edge of Reason said: Bit of a pain though. Yes it would be a pain but only done it as an experiment. Think now i`ll line the same box, including the lid with the tin foil and see what that does to the radio signal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluepeter Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 2x Lock Car Key Keyless Entry Anti-Theft Fob Signal Blocker Pouch Faraday Bag UK i bought these of e bay £ 5.75 seem to work ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge of Reason Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just bought these and I’m very impressed. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07BMBN65X/ref=pe_3187911_189395841_TE_dp_1 With my key in one of the pouches (you get 2) I can stand right at the drivers door and can’t get in the car. If I take the key out the pouch and go inside the car then put it back in the pouch again, the car will not start. I now keep the key in one pouch at home and keep the other pouch in the car so I can take into work, restaurant or wherever I go. Brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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