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Stephen Henderson
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Hi first time on this forum with my wife's car. any help greatly apricated. I will try to keep it short and to the point. 

 

Unable to select reverse gear, just revs like its in neutral ( screen says R ) ,  driving forward very jerky/riding the clutch

turn the car of and wait 10 mins and retry same problem.  also noticed sometimes while turn off / back on car would not start, could hear a click from what sounded like the gearbox but then nothing. battery was replaced <100mi ago, earthing points also improved at the same time by sanding paint off.  

Can change thought the forward gear while driving, however feels very jerky / riding clutch. 

unable to use sports mode

 

2014 Ford Focus, 1.6 petrol. Automatic, approx. 70k on clock 

 

Error codes

P287A - Clutch B Stuck Engaged

P087A - Clutch Position Sensor B Circuit

 

Have tried swapping the x2 Clutch actuator motors, reset gearbox ( Credit: Ford Focus Auto Transmission reset(see description)/Ford Tcm Reset - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCVWYIPIPK4&t=12s&ab_channel=JosephSaj )

left the car overnight, next day started fine drove fine, reverse, fine no problems at all. then.... approx. 30mi later after multiple starts/stops same problem and same error code re-appeared. 

 

Thanks ! 

 

 

 

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the warranty was increased to 5 years on these due to known faults in the box, the control module, the clutch and the software....  USA and Australia got a recall and all replaced for free.  In the UK the dealers were all told to pretend they know nothing about it.... hence few knew of the extension

2017 model year, post July 2016 build, were the first ones that had all bugs and faults removed

from memory  
2012 or earlier had a faulty gearbox case that gave an oil leak exacerbating the nasty friction material faults early ones got 
by 2014 the control module, software and clutch material was still suspect... if you don't damage it by using, then the gearbox should have been ok.
2015 they tried the 3rd revision of clutch material and some software updates
late 2016 they finally managed to get all right

 

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thanks you for you reply, sounds like this is going to be a bit of a mine field and quite £££ 

Ford wants £125  for  diagnostics 😞 

 

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Hi Stephen, yes your veh has the transmission manufactured by Getrag called the Getrag Powershift 6DCT250, this is the one with DRY clutches that cost Ford millions of pounds in court cases and repair costs in the USA. Loads of americans purchased automatics, whereas much less so in uk and europe

Do some search on Google, loads of info on there about your trans - there may be a remote chance of assistance from Ford dealer or Ford Motor Company

Send an e mail to Andy Barrat CEO of Ford Motor Co, he handles complaints   abarratt@ford.com 

Other than that you need a specialist repairer http://www.theautomaticgearboxcompany.co.uk/contact.html

I am not recommending them, just an example

Note: do not compare your transmission with the Wet Clutch Transmission 6DCT450 which is fitted to higher powered Fords like FocusST and Mondeo and Volvo

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Hi, thought I would post an update. thanks all of have helped my out so far, much apricated

28/10/20 Took the car to ford for them to investigate £120 ad this was the outcome of their investigation : "Carried out calibration on the auto transmission system, reset all gear adaptions and lean values, if the problem persists may need a new gearbox"

xx/10/20 A few days later issue happens again

10/11/20 car dropped off at ford garage

12/11/20 So today the ford garage has advised that the Transmission control module gets replaced at the lovely cost of £613.95

my job tonight email Andy Barrat

 

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23 hours ago, Stephen Henderson said:

Hi, thought I would post an update. thanks all of have helped my out so far, much apricated

28/10/20 Took the car to ford for them to investigate £120 ad this was the outcome of their investigation : "Carried out calibration on the auto transmission system, reset all gear adaptions and lean values, if the problem persists may need a new gearbox"

xx/10/20 A few days later issue happens again

10/11/20 car dropped off at ford garage

12/11/20 So today the ford garage has advised that the Transmission control module gets replaced at the lovely cost of £613.95

my job tonight email Andy Barrat

 

that is not good news.... fight with ford for help - dig up the evidence they sorted other countries out at their expense !!!!

prove its a known manufacturing fault you should JUST be inside UK consumer law of its THIER problem for 6 years they pay EVERYTHING including all the time off work going to the garage... line up the receipts and go to court   !!!

https://www.which.co.uk/consumer-rights/regulation/consumer-rights-act

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/how-to-complain/#check

 

 

 

 

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  • 4 weeks later...

I can totally relate i do alot of these as i am a small dealer  my focus market for used ones is quite good i am dealing with the same issues EXACTLY as you are i have not got to the bottom of it yet will keep you advised

 

 

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  • 9 months later...

so did you come to a resolution....did changing the tcm fixed the problem ?

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I live in the USA. I have a 2015 Ford Focus. I had my TCM replaced in June of 2020 and now the same issue is happening again. I have been unable to get my car back into ford due to covid and the back up of cars in their transmission department. My car has bounced around from shop to shop. The shop its currently at told me something about my clutch B is moving too fast to catch the gears or something.  ( I am not sure, I don't know much about cars. ) and it would be $4500 to replace the whole transmission. I will be towing my car to ford dealer I found that only has a week wait. I am scared to drive my car because I lost all power driving on the freeway ( Guessing it wouldn't catch a gear) I can only drive about 40 mph but very rough. I will update on the progress. 

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2 hours ago, RedFord2015 said:

I live in the USA. I have a 2015 Ford Focus. I had my TCM replaced in June of 2020 and now the same issue is happening again. I have been unable to get my car back into ford due to covid and the back up of cars in their transmission department. My car has bounced around from shop to shop. The shop its currently at told me something about my clutch B is moving too fast to catch the gears or something.  ( I am not sure, I don't know much about cars. ) and it would be $4500 to replace the whole transmission. I will be towing my car to ford dealer I found that only has a week wait. I am scared to drive my car because I lost all power driving on the freeway ( Guessing it wouldn't catch a gear) I can only drive about 40 mph but very rough. I will update on the progress. 

A new post would've been better, this post relates to a conventional auto, yours is a powershift.

But,

If you are still under warranty, just get the dealer to tow it in.

If you are out of warranty:

Check battery condition and charge level is good, dodgy batteries cause havoc on autos

Remove battery earth from body, clean paint from body to bare metal (where eyelet sits), grease and refit.

There are two further earth points under the airbox, do the same for these also - See youtube for instructions

Get a decent quality OBD lead (I strongly recommend OBDLink EX for this)

Get Forscan software

PAY for a license

Update the firmware in the PCM and TCM

Perform a clutch re-learn cycle (TCM)

Reset the adaptive learning strategy (TCM)

BEFORE YOU SPEND ANY MONEY!

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  • 1 year later...

Hey, this is probably three years too late, but for anyone else that is experiencing the same thing, here’s what’s going on. 
When the actuators spin, they tension a spring in clutch fork lever, which sort of “butterfly’s” the fork, engaging gears. The main issue with these for transmissions is precisely the clutch fork levers. Most times they are dirty and the tension/release is slow, so the actuator is unable to spin it fast enough, or the spring won’t reset fast enough. They are often seized so badly that the actuator can’t spin it at all, which is the clicking noise you’re hearing. 

It’s honestly such a stupid and simple problem, when I heard “the transmissions are bad” I always assumed it meant something much worse. The only reason Ford wouldn’t replace them (jokes on them, they have to now lmao) is because you have to drop the trans. That’s it. It takes a matter of 10 minutes to replace the clutch forks and problem solved. 
 

so, if you have the time and capability, just buy new clutch forks, take out the clutch, and replace both for good measure. 

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