Energy chat, the future of car propulsion

[Jimpster]

and an atmosphere pollution order

[Alex.S]

Probably been posted already.  If not …….. QI

[StephenFord]

5 minutes ago, Alex.S said:

Probably been posted already.  If not …….. QI

So so sad to think of the £ Billions that are being squandered on ill fated battery car technology whereas if spent on hydrogen technology, well, we'd genuinely save the planet!

[unofix]

44 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

if spent on hydrogen technology, well, we'd genuinely save the planet!

But what about Krazy King Khan and his money making ULEZ scheme scam, it would collapse ?   ..... Oh wait a minute, it already is collapsing  🤣🤣🤣

[Eric Bloodaxe]

Just back from a holiday in Northumberland - great weather!

I noted several new EV chargers had appeared in public car parks since our visit last year, so had my usual snoop around.

Disappointing to note that, with only 2 exceptions, none would accept contactless cards and needed various apps/RFID cards for payment.

I suppose they're using the loophole that they are not "rapid" chargers as defined by the Government: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/all-new-rapid-chargepoints-should-offer-card-payment-by-2020

but it seems very short sighted and does nothing to encourage take up.

As we've said before, imagine needing a phone full of apps or wallet full of RFID cards to fill up at Tesco, Morrisons, Asda, Sainsbury's, BP, etc, etc.

Also very few had a tethered cable so you need to have your own with you. Again, Imagine having to cart your own fuel hose/nozzle around!😀

 

[StephenFord]

28 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

As we've said before, imagine needing a phone full of apps or wallet full of RFID cards to fill up at Tesco, Morrisons, Asda, Sainsbury's, BP, etc, etc.

Also very few had a tethered cable so you need to have your own with you. Again, Imagine having to cart your own fuel hose/nozzle around!😀

Human beings use to have the ability to distinguish between 'change', and 'progress'. I fear that with the dominance of dumbing down social media, we appear to have lost that ability...

[Turvey]

On 9/11/2023 at 10:54 AM, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Imagine having to cart your own fuel hose/nozzle around!

 

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[unofix]

Given all the hi-tec equipment and all the safety features on modern cars, I would think that it shouldn't be beyond the design engineers to just include a 'Start Inhibit' function if the fuel filler door is in the open position.

[iantt]

48 minutes ago, Turvey said:

🤔

You can't fix stupid

[iantt]

28 minutes ago, unofix said:

Given all the hi-tec equipment and all the safety features on modern cars, I would think that it shouldn't be beyond the design engineers to just include a 'Start Inhibit' function if the fuel filler door is in the open position.

That is the case with electric vehicles. Or should I say with the cable plugged in. The door can be left open but a warning on instrument cluster appears to say as such. 

[iantt]

On 9/11/2023 at 11:54 AM, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Just back from a holiday in Northumberland - great weather!

I noted several new EV chargers had appeared in public car parks since our visit last year, so had my usual snoop around.

Disappointing to note that, with only 2 exceptions, none would accept contactless cards and needed various apps/RFID cards for payment.

I suppose they're using the loophole that they are not "rapid" chargers as defined by the Government: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/all-new-rapid-chargepoints-should-offer-card-payment-by-2020

but it seems very short sighted and does nothing to encourage take up.

As we've said before, imagine needing a phone full of apps or wallet full of RFID cards to fill up at Tesco, Morrisons, Asda, Sainsbury's, BP, etc, etc.

 

Not that I use public chargers , but quite often if it's an  RFID card that is required. I've got one RFID card that does lots of different supplier/operators so basically 1 card does all( or nearly all) you will always know in advance what card is required so just avoid the odd one that won't be comparable to the card I have. As you can see, one RFID card can be used all over Europe and not just the UK. 

[iantt]

It's no big deal carrying a charger cable in the boot. No bigger than a decent set of jump leads quite a few ice car drivers carry in the boot also. 

[iantt]

Even in some deserted corner of the almeria coastline I'm staying at the moment has a charging point I can use my RFID card ( not that I would want to drive here that distance in any fuel type of car. ) 

[Mark-UK]

To be honest I think most people just won't worry about having multiple cards or apps, as they already do for their normal shopping,

Tesco club-card, Coop card, Lidl Card the list is endless. ( personally don't have any)

[StephenFord]

24 minutes ago, Mark-UK said:

To be honest I think most people just won't worry about having multiple cards or apps,...

The whole ethos of 'apps' will preclude many elderly, but with every passing month, that will become less of an issue for them as they die out. If my elderly mum was still driving, and forced onto an EV, she'd be snookered...

[Jimpster]

I've actually joined the 21st century today after 2 hours of faffing. Set up Google Wallet on my new phone, i'll be terrified the first time i try to use it.

[TomsFocus]

27 minutes ago, Jimpster said:

I've actually joined the 21st century today after 2 hours of faffing. Set up Google Wallet on my new phone, i'll be terrified the first time i try to use it.

After getting in a right muddle at the Tesco checkout, realising I'd forgotten my wallet in a brain fog, and being forced to leave the shopping for that day,  I would urge everyone to do this, even if only as a back up.

Genuinely thought I might have been allowed some sort of IOU linked to my club card (used the same store every other week) but wasn't offered any sort of help at the time.

[StephenFord]

9 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

Genuinely thought I might have been allowed some sort of IOU linked to my club card (used the same store every other week) but wasn't offered any sort of help at the time.

I was in retail for over 40 years, sadly Tom, no 'national' company would ever permit this kind of help. You need to find an independent shop with a sympathetic owner to allow any kind of 'tick', something like Arkwrights out of Open all Hours, but with a nice personality 🤣

[Jimpster]

17 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

After getting in a right muddle at the Tesco checkout, realising I'd forgotten my wallet in a brain fog, and being forced to leave the shopping for that day,  I would urge everyone to do this, even if only as a back up.

Genuinely thought I might have been allowed some sort of IOU linked to my club card (used the same store every other week) but wasn't offered any sort of help at the time.

As have I, filled a trolley a few years back in Farmfoods and had to leave it to go home as i'd forgot my wallet. Its now habit to pat the pockets of my body warmer to make sure eveything i need is in it before i go out. I even keep my house keys on a lanyard around my neck. Its an age thing thats my excuse.

[TomsFocus]

1 hour ago, StephenFord said:

I was in retail for over 40 years, sadly Tom, no 'national' company would ever permit this kind of help. You need to find an independent shop with a sympathetic owner to allow any kind of 'tick', something like Arkwrights out of Open all Hours, but with a nice personality 🤣

I worked at a national store that did do that around 12 years ago.  Admittedly it was on a housing estate so most of the customers were recognisable and in the store several times a week.

[iantt]

I see all the youngsters use there phones now contactless. Is that Google wallet? , only ever used Google wallet for flight boarding passes. 

[Mark-UK]

I moved from an attitude of never using my phone to pay (apple pay or google wallet) to fully embracing it . One of the main reasons being security. The only time my father ever got scammed was after using his card someone copied the card number, this can not happen with google wallet as it uses a virtual number that's not linked to your bank account.

Of course you have to trust google with your bank details I guess

 

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Virtual cards are a safer way to pay online or in-app. When you use a virtual card to make a purchase, the app replaces your physical card number with a unique virtual card number. When you check out, the virtual number hides your personal payment details and helps to protect you against fraud.

Tip: The virtual card number, expiration date, and CVC may be different from your physical card. For added security, some card issuers change your virtual card number or CVC for different merchants or transactions. 

 

[Turvey]

I've had/used Google Wallet for a few years, as @iantt does mainly for airline tickets and more recently gig tickets ☹️ and it works well. However, I've just bought a new phone with NFC for the first time. Credit card is now setup in the app for it and the phone is all set up as well. Question is, is that all I have to do? 

When it comes to paying for something, what do you do? Just tap it or do you have to open anything up first 🤷

Kinda going off the energy chat though 😀

[Scottman]

It was a rather unexpected comment from Ford CEO Jim Farley yesterday. He admitted that Ev's are not suitable for everyone. AND that their cost is going to be prohibitive to all except the wealthy. It looks like a tiny bit of rationality is creeping back into the cranium of the CEO.

This kind of thinking might be enough to stop the full tilt rush over the cliff of delusion.

Ford has been in a silent rush to close, sell off or consolidate as much of the company as possible, without giving the public the impression that they are basically holding a going out of business sale. If sales collapse for any reason, we are already close to the tipping point within the supply chain where the suppliers of the thousands of components and sub assemblies will have to raise their prices as the volume disappears. The automakers will either have to pay or the suppliers will become insolvent and go broke. And that is when all the shrinking and shedding of operations will come back to bite Ford. They will have lost their suppliers and they won't have any internal capability to self supply. Mr. Farley has good reason to look at the situation with a high degree of caution.

[StephenFord]

5 hours ago, Scottman said:

This kind of thinking might be enough to stop the full tilt rush over the cliff of delusion.

That is a very positive statement, though the CEO of Toyota actually said it a while back and with much more gusto! Next time you're on a motorway (or highway), just for a mile, take note of all the vehicles on it you pass. Then, imagine the same mix all being battery operated in the future - doesn't work, does it??