New Covid vaccine - would you take it?

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1 minute ago, StephenFord said:

We could always start a discussion on how ludicrous 'vaccine passports' are! Given that those double jabbed with booster (like me) can still pass it on, what's the f*ckin' point!! Nothing more than political theater, like the wearing of face coverings...

Well once again Stephen you saved me having to type that 👍

[59bhp]

On 11/12/2021 at 7:21 PM, StephenFord said:

Yep...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/work.html

Here are some statistics...

 

2,816 people died with* COVID19 in the UK during August 2021 (with 42.9M people vaccinated)

299 people died with* COVID19 in the UK during August 2020 (with zero people vaccinated)

Source: coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

 

[StephenFord]

18 minutes ago, 59bhp said:

Here are some statistics...

 

2,816 people died with* COVID19 in the UK during August 2021 (with 42.9M people vaccinated)

299 people died with* COVID19 in the UK during August 2020 (with zero people vaccinated)

Source: coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

It should also be noted that the total number of deaths in England/Wales (no figures for Scotland & Northern Ireland), for August 2021 was in excess of 45,000 (includes, cancer, heart issues, strokes etc) Odd I never hear that on the news!

Source Office of National Statistics (UK.gov)

[Tizer]

2 hours ago, 59bhp said:

299 people died with* COVID19 in the UK during August 2020

There was very little Covid going about in August 2020 so that figure is not surprising even if it is wrong, the official number was over double that for that month. There were over 30,000 in January this year.

1 hour ago, StephenFord said:

It should also be noted that the total number of deaths in England/Wales (no figures for Scotland & Northern Ireland), for August 2021 was in excess of 45,000 (includes, cancer, heart issues, strokes etc) Odd I never hear that on the news!

Cancer, Heart issues and Strokes are not contagious diseases that is why they are not classified as Notifiable Diseases. It would be interesting to see a comparison with the number of deaths each month for other Notifiable Diseases rather than non contagious ones.

[StephenFord]

4 minutes ago, Tizer said:

There was very little Covid going about in August 2020 so that figure is not surprising even if it is wrong, the official number was over double that for that month. There were over 30,000 in January this year.

Cancer, Heart issues and Strokes are not contagious diseases that is why they are not classified as Notifiable Diseases. It would be interesting to see a comparison with the number of deaths each month for other Notifiable Diseases rather than non contagious ones.

The point I was trying to make (admittedly, maybe clumsily) is that many now in this country think the only cause of death is Covid, largely bought about by the government spending £800 Million on scaring the bejesus out of it's citizens. It would just be nice to get some balance that unfortunately folk die from all sorts of causes...

[Tizer]

5 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

The point I was trying to make (admittedly, maybe clumsily) is that many now in this country think the only cause of death is Covid, largely bought about by the government spending £800 Million on scaring the bejesus out of it's citizens. It would just be nice to get some balance that unfortunately folk die from all sorts of causes...

I agree, although there are charts that show the number of deaths with the number that were directly or indirectly caused because of Covid shown in a different colour. I haven't came across any that show the other contagious disease deaths or the other Notifiable Disease deaths, most of which are contagious also, therefore are preventable to a certain extent where the disease has identifiable symptoms.

 

[StephenFord]

6 minutes ago, Tizer said:

... most of which are contagious also, therefore are preventable to a certain extent where the disease has identifiable symptoms.

I also agree, but with the NHS shutting down service as normal because of Covid, I fear that numerous other cases of preventable cancer & heart deaths will soon dwarf the total of Covid deaths.

In the last year I have had several 'follow up' cancer checks simply cancelled, in addition, I had a pre op assessment carried out for an outstanding operation which from experience means they are ready to take you in the next 6 to 8 weeks, that was 8 months ago...

When the government screw things up, they really do it on a very grand scale!

[Tizer]

6 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

I also agree, but with the NHS shutting down service as normal because of Covid, I fear that numerous other cases of preventable cancer & heart deaths will soon dwarf the total of Covid deaths.

I don't doubt you. If everyone does their part instead of believing some of the bile that is being put around, including on this forum, then things are likely to get better more quickly.

Downplaying Covid is peeing on ones own chips.

[williamweb]

1 hour ago, Tizer said:

I don't doubt you. If everyone does their part instead of believing some of the bile that is being put around, including on this forum, then things are likely to get better more quickly.

Downplaying Covid is peeing on ones own chips.

Covid needs to be put into perspective, especially today on Remembrance Day.Many more paid the ultimate sacrifice for our freedoms, that have been taken away.

[pcaouolte]

3 hours ago, 59bhp said:

Here are some statistics...

 

2,816 people died with* COVID19 in the UK during August 2021 (with 42.9M people vaccinated)

299 people died with* COVID19 in the UK during August 2020 (with zero people vaccinated)

Source: coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

 

 

In August 2021 there were virtually no restrictions on mixing with other people in most of the UK. In August 2020 restrictions were still in place (the lockdown was gradually being eased). The significant number of people who have been vaccinated have allowed everyone more freedom to socialise. 

[MancMenace]

47 minutes ago, Tizer said:

Downplaying Covid is peeing on ones own chips.

Respectfully...

Living in fear is peeing on ones own chips, we already lost 2 years to fear.

By all means protect the weak don't pee on their chips but I dont think a healthy young person seeing it as little threat to themselves is self debilitating.

I'd rather enjoy life while I've got it than fear its inevitable end, now that would be peeing on my own chips.

As I said before, the worst thing about this so called pandemic is the divisions its causing, families falling out with each other because they did or didn't take the vaccine is very sad, neighbours grassing on each other for having a visitor during lockdown and being encouraged to do so by the government.

Just remember, the government wont be there to help us jump start our cars, borrow us a tool, keep an eye on our property while we are away or on our kids as they play in the street and the fact that they urge us to be so snakey is a scummy thing to do and makes me wonder how so much trust is placed into them in the first place, a quick glance into history soon tells us that all the largest unnatural losses to human life were all at the order of a government or a means for a corporation to save or make money.

[Tizer]

7 minutes ago, williamweb said:

Covid needs to be put in perspective, especially today on Remembrance Day.Many more paid the ultimate sacrifice for our freedoms that are now being taken away.

Wars are not contagious diseases.

[williamweb]

14 hours ago, Tizer said:

Wars are not contagious diseases.

As a percentage of how one died,Covid is minuscule.

[Tizer]

4 minutes ago, williamweb said:

As a percentage of how one dies,Covid is minuscule.

So what.

[williamweb]

1 minute ago, Tizer said:

So what.

So what?

[Tizer]

9 minutes ago, MancMenace said:

Respectfully...

Living in fear is peeing on ones own chips, we already lost 2 years to fear.

By all means protect the weak don't pee on their chips but I dont think a healthy young person seeing it as little threat to themselves is self debilitating.

I'd rather enjoy life while I've got it than fear its inevitable end, now that would be peeing on my own chips.

As I said before, the worst thing about this so called pandemic is the divisions its causing, families falling out with each other because they did or didn't take the vaccine is very sad, neighbours grassing on each other for having a visitor during lockdown and being encouraged to do so by the government.

Just remember, the government wont be there to help us jump start our cars, borrow us a tool, keep an eye on our property while we are away or on our kids as they play in the street and the fact that they urge us to be so snakey is a scummy thing to do and makes me wonder how so much trust is placed into them in the first place, a quick glance into history soon tells us that all the largest unnatural losses to human life were all at the order of a government or a means for a corporation to save or make money.

Thankfully not everyone is narcissistic.

[pcaouolte]

12 minutes ago, MancMenace said:

Respectfully...

Living in fear is peeing on ones own chips, we already lost 2 years to fear.

By all means protect the weak don't pee on their chips but I dont think a healthy young person seeing it as little threat to themselves is self debilitating.

I'd rather enjoy life while I've got it than fear its inevitable end, now that would be peeing on my own chips.

As I said before, the worst thing about this so called pandemic is the divisions its causing, families falling out with each other because they did or didn't take the vaccine is very sad, neighbours grassing on each other for having a visitor during lockdown and being encouraged to do so by the government.

Just remember, the government wont be there to help us jump start our cars, borrow us a tool, keep an eye on our property while we are away or on our kids as they play in the street and the fact that they urge us to be so snakey is a scummy thing to do and makes me wonder how so much trust is placed into them in the first place, a quick glance into history soon tells us that all the largest unnatural losses to human life were all at the order of a government or a means for a corporation to save or make money.

Who is living in fear? Most people have been vaccinated. Most restrictions have been lifted. Life seems pretty normal. I can go to work, the pub, restaurants, clubs, crowded places, drive my car. I can't grass on a neighbour even if I wanted to because, legally, there are no restrictions in place. 

[StephenFord]

7 minutes ago, pcaouolte said:

Who is living in fear?

I was in a shop yesterday (not wearing a face mask) when I saw a lady actively step out of my 'social distance' range, every time I went to look at something. she stepped back from me, that is 'fear', though to be honest I should have been far more frightened from the petri dish of germs she was spreading from her bacteria ridden face mask!

[MancMenace]

19 minutes ago, Tizer said:

Thankfully not everyone is narcissistic.

I speak of keeping communities together where is the narcissism? Oh you mean I'm narcissistic because I dont fear something which doesn't affect me personally, did I not mention not peeing on the chips of the susceptible ie safeguarding them.

14 minutes ago, pcaouolte said:

Who is living in fear? Most people have been vaccinated. Most restrictions have been lifted. Life seems pretty normal. I can go to work, the pub, restaurants, clubs, crowded places, drive my car. I can't grass on a neighbour even if I wanted to because, legally, there are no restrictions in place. 

You don't see them because they are either hiding in their homes filled with anxiety or already dead, the ones you do see are walking round rebreathing their own waste gasses and germs spraying everything in site and looking at and treating everyone like a villian.

[pcaouolte]

18 hours ago, StephenFord said:

I was in a shop yesterday (not wearing a face mask) when I saw a lady actively step out of my 'social distance' range, every time I went to look at something. she stepped back from me, that is 'fear', though to be honest I should have been far more frightened from the petri dish of germs she was spreading from her bacteria ridden face mask!

That is not fear, it is being cautious. If I was in an enclosed space with you and you were not wearing a mask I would try to keep a distance from you. I have no desire to catch this disease and I am quite happy to take reasonable precautions to avoid it.

[StephenFord]

5 minutes ago, pcaouolte said:

That is not fear, it is being cautious. If I was in an enclosed space with you and you were not wearing a mask I would try to keep a distance from you. I have no desire to catch this disease and I am quite happy to take reasonable precautions to avoid it.

Oh stop being such a scaredy cat! Social distancing was lifted here in NI on 31st October - if you are that frightened of the world, maybe you should stay home and hide behind your sofa. Besides, the 'experts' say the world is ending in 10 years anyway, so not much longer now anyway 🤣

[williamweb]

1 hour ago, pcaouolte said:

That is not fear, it is being cautious. If I was in an enclosed space with you and you were not wearing a mask I would try to keep a distance from you. I have no desire to catch this disease and I am quite happy to take reasonable precautions to avoid it.

I’ve got bad news for you.You will probably catch Covid sometime in your lifetime.

[Eric Bloodaxe]

Yes, it now seems that Covid is becoming regarded as endemic, so we are just going to have to live with it. Hopefully it will mutate into something less virulent, and we now have vaccines and treatments are evolving all the time. 

Mind you, flu can kill you and most of us take sensible measures against that, so I don't necessarily think Paul is being a scaredy cat.😀

[StephenFord]

2 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said:

Mind you, flu can kill you and most of us take sensible measures against that, so I don't necessarily think Paul is being a scaredy cat.😀

I beg to differ, some years flu has killed in excess of 35000 people, it never even made the news, never mind transforming every life in the country and destroying our economy!

You cannot hide from every potential risk in life, you need to take on personal responsibility, and manage your own risk. (The vulnerable are obvious exceptions who need additional protection)

So, if you wear a mask you obviously believe it works, so you shouldn't care what anyone else does.

I do take risks, there have been times I have eaten an After Eight, and it's barely gone 6pm 🤣

[erictcleric]

44 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

You cannot hide from every potential risk in life, you need to take on personal responsibility, and manage your own risk. (The vulnerable are obvious exceptions who need additional protection)

Very true, but there's also an element of taking some responsibility for other people too. Such as when you're out on the roads using and defensive driving techniques, assuming that the other person is going to make a mistake so trying to anticipate that. Came in handy yesterday when I was driving down the dual carriageway at 70mph and someone decided to pull out in front of me. Thanks.

At some point we're likely to reach a balance with more effective vaccines and natural immunity which would allow us to treat coronavirus with a bit more disdain, but I don't think we're there yet. There are a few potentially vulnerable people in my circle and I'd prefer not to pass too many nasties onto them just yet. Which, of course, is only exacerbated since we've been inside so much and lost some of the immunities that we normally get being exposed to everyday diseases. Kind of a Catch 22.

50 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

I do take risks, there have been times I have eaten an After Eight, and it's barely gone 6pm 🤣

You should be fine, but government guidelines suggest you change all the clocks, just in case 🙂