alexp999 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Just now, karlbbb said: Just a small bump on this topic. Recently picked up a '22 reg Focus Titanium Estate, with the 1.0 125 mHEV and 7-speed auto - will this be a timing chain? I understand it'll still be wet belt for the oil pump, but just for a little peace of mind I wanted to check on the main timing belt/chain situation. All mHEV and all Mk4 Focus are timing chain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlbbb Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 5 minutes ago, alexp999 said: All mHEV and all Mk4 Focus are timing chain. Brilliant, thanks very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT70 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 17 minutes ago, karlbbb said: Just a small bump on this topic. Recently picked up a '22 reg Focus Titanium Estate, with the 1.0 125 mHEV and 7-speed auto - will this be a timing chain? I understand it'll still be wet belt for the oil pump, but just for a little peace of mind I wanted to check on the main timing belt/chain situation. 17 minutes ago, karlbbb said: will this be a timing chain? Yes, you still need to make sure the correct oil is used and no flushing or the oil pump belt will fail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Roman Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 ... and one good example when the correct oil is used at correct service intervals! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC333 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 I find it hard to accept that the photo shows a true representation. If anyone were to look down my engine front cover towards the crank right now they would be amazed by the amount of debris from the belt. Belt one year old, less than 5000 miles on it. Do we seriously believe it's because I used Petronas oil (to the correct spec) instead of Castrol? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Roman Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 hour ago, RayC333 said: I find it hard to accept that the photo shows a true representation. If anyone were to look down my engine front cover towards the crank right now they would be amazed by the amount of debris from the belt. Belt one year old, less than 5000 miles on it. Do we seriously believe it's because I used Petronas oil (to the correct spec) instead of Castrol? Ray, this video is from the Bulgarian Ford forum /I am Bulgarian/. The car is Ford Focus C Max with 1.0 Ecoboost owned from new and as the owner was concerned about the belt condition (based on all these horror stories) he simply decided to check the belts and oil pump condition. I just wanted to share it as a good example and to show that not all Ecoboost engines are just scrap. Since the car is owned form new and has been always serviced with original oil recommended by Ford he kept telling us that with the recommended oil problems should not be expected. Probably that's the reason why he posted that photo. Once again, apologize for my English! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Roman Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 P.S. By the way I also understood that since 2017 Ford has changed to an upgraded and improved version of the original Dayco belts. The part № of the new belt is 2260991 /16 mm/ and he replaced the previous versions 1807611 /16 mm/ and 1760650 /18 mm/. I also found the Ford switched from Dayco to Contitech belts and most probably the new belt is Contitech CT1211 /not confirmed!/. Some more info although not for Ecoboost engines Continental Launches New Timing Belt for Special Citroen and Peugeot Engines - Continental AG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontpannic Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 3 hours ago, Tony Roman said: ... and one good example when the correct oil is used at correct service intervals! Impossible. There are no 100,000km Ecoboosts out there as they will all without exception have had a failed belt 😉 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontpannic Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 2 hours ago, RayC333 said: If anyone were to look down my engine front cover towards the crank right now they would be amazed by the amount of debris from the belt. Belt one year old, less than 5000 miles on it? How? Are you referring to the aux belt, as the wet belt isn't visible without taking most of the timing case off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Roman Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Here you can find the new belt /below/ and the older one /above/... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC333 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 9 hours ago, dontpannic said: How? Are you referring to the aux belt, as the wet belt isn't visible without taking most of the timing case off. Of course I have the the camshaft cover off. One can easily see down into the timing case. There is debris everywhere. I won't comment any further. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 9 hours ago, dontpannic said: Impossible. There are no 100,000km Ecoboosts out there as they will all without exception have had a failed belt 😉 Take exception to that comment! Mine has 97,000kms & counting! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantt Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 5 hours ago, Hackney said: Take exception to that comment! Mine has 97,000kms & counting! Partner's fiesta has 78k miles so around 126000km 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, iantt said: Partner's fiesta has 78k miles so around 126000km No issues so far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxty Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 21 hours ago, karlbbb said: Just a small bump on this topic. Recently picked up a '22 reg Focus Titanium Estate, with the 1.0 125 mHEV and 7-speed auto - will this be a timing chain? I understand it'll still be wet belt for the oil pump, but just for a little peace of mind I wanted to check on the main timing belt/chain situation. It’s a timing chain for MHEV’s. Oops didn’t see others had commented! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantt Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 7 hours ago, Hackney said: No issues so far? Nope, just gets service around June them an oil change in winter. Had 1 rear spring and a set of front pads. Registered 2016. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 5 hours ago, iantt said: Nope, just gets service around June them an oil change in winter. Had 1 rear spring and a set of front pads. Registered 2016. I try to change my oil roughly twice a year.If the belt does go,so does the car.It’s just not worth forking the money out to have it repaired, we will just go back down to one vehicle, that being our fantastic Honda HRV Hybrid.Ford can keep their cars. Just to clarify the mileage I quoted is 97,000 kilometres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinw1970 Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 I have a 2016 ecosport with 75k miles and now with crank shaft fault code(P0016:78-EC and P132B:21-6C)after taking it to my local garage (non Ford), they said it’s a very common fault and gave 3 options: 1 - replace wet belt with specialist tools and extensive labour £2K 2 - replacement engine £3k ish 3 - his recommendation- get rid Also talking with another mechanic, he suggested 1 - contacting Ford Uk, suggesting it’s a common fault but highly unlikely they will won’t to know! 2 - replacing the oil pump to help remove the fault code and then trade in. what ever the option, it’s going to cost….. any advice is appreciated, cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unofix Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 1 - Contact Ford. Good luck with that, they get hundreds of similar reports each week. Your car is 7 years old. Does it have a full Ford service history ?They will not be in the slightest interested. 2 - In order to replace the oil pump you would have to do the exact same work as replacing the cambelt. Take the car to a Ford garage and ask them what the recommend. If they say it needs a new engine then you can always shop around and even get a quote from PumaSpeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted September 9 Share Posted September 9 11 hours ago, unofix said: In order to replace the oil pump you would have to do the exact same work as replacing the cambelt. I thought this too until recently. Turns out it is possible to remove the oil pump by just removing the sump and then sliding the pump out of the belt (as opposed to sliding the belt off the pump). You can then clean or replace the pump without having to touch the cambelt. I must admit, I don't see the point in replacing the pump if the wetbelt is known to be degrading - better off just cleaning the old one. Of course, there is a moral consideration by just masking an issue which will cause the next owner major issues, but that's not for us to decide. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bxzx16v Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Ecopro in Lincoln would get my vote if your close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC333 Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 On 9/9/2023 at 10:55 AM, TomsFocus said: I thought this too until recently. Turns out it is possible to remove the oil pump by just removing the sump and then sliding the pump out of the belt (as opposed to sliding the belt off the pump). You can then clean or replace the pump without having to touch the cambelt. I must admit, I don't see the point in replacing the pump if the wetbelt is known to be degrading - better off just cleaning the old one. Of course, there is a moral consideration by just masking an issue which will cause the next owner major issues, but that's not for us to decide. Agree. Going right back to the beginning with my Ecoboom, this is what a local garage did to (what was then) my daughters car. Mechanic dropped the sump, fitted a very expensive new pump and oil control valve and told her it would be ok. The regulars here know the rest. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrianh Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Add one more wet belt failure to the listings. I have had my 2017 C-Max Titanium from new and found some months later the paperwork did not show the service interval. I called the dealership and was told to call the Ford Customer service centre who, after a few moments on hold told me that the interval was 15000 miles or 12 months so that is what I stuck to. The dealership never queried it and I took out a service plan which again did not specify anything different. All was well until Covid came along and servicing was only given to critical workers so the car went 14 months between services and was booked in as soon as was possible. At 87k miles (the last service) I found my service book had gone missing when I got home and checked the documents in the wallet where I keep the receipts/ manual etc. I called the dealership and they said the booklet was not there but gave me a new history from their files. Come 100k miles I found there was a wait of several weeks to get the car serviced and booked it in at the earliest possible. At 104k miles I decided to push for an earlier servicing and was given a date a few days ahead at another local dealership which I took. On the way the oil pressure light flickered and I stopped the engine and coasted to a nearby layby and got the car to the dealership via the AA. The following day I was told the engine is needing replacement plus turbo and ancillaries. I was asked for my V5 as the dealership were contacting Ford re some help with the engine change. The V5 was beking the service book in the wallet but it also could not be found. I ordered a replacement to be told minutes later that it had been found in the back of the wallet which had been split open....very strange. Five weeks later and £6500 later the car was returned to me. Ford would not help and my "Poor service history" was the reason, yet it was taken to the dealership every service on a pre-paid service contract where no mileages were stated nor recorded. Needless to say this was my 9th and likely the last Ford I shall own. Had I known of the Ecoboost engine issues I would have steered well clear as it has elements of flawed design throughout its history. How can an item be given a 150000 mile/ 10 year life yet fails at much lower periods. Can owners be expected to leave their car at home because they cannot get the car serviced for several weeks and would go over 12500 miles?. Modern synthetic oils have vastly improved properties over non synthetic oils and one would believe there would be more tolerance available, not a reduction. I was later told it is 12500 miles + 500 miles. When my commute to work was 250 miles a day (5000 per month) the numbers become laughable and am thankful I am now retired as a service every 10 weeks would have been impossible to achieve. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantt Posted September 23 Share Posted September 23 https://www.thedrive.com/news/self-clogging-ford-oil-pumps-lead-feds-to-investigate-1-0-liter-ecoboost-engines Really? Only now realising? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexp999 Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 8 hours ago, iantt said: https://www.thedrive.com/news/self-clogging-ford-oil-pumps-lead-feds-to-investigate-1-0-liter-ecoboost-engines Really? Only now realising? That’s about the oil pump belt. Not the wet cam belt though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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