Eric Bloodaxe Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 When I first saw a rumour of an ecoboost hybrid Puma ST, I kind of imagined the hybrid system boosting the power/torque on the 1.5, to perhaps give a bit of the kudos of the WRC car. I didn't really envisage a slightly warmed up 1.0 MHEV ecoboost with auto. Should they be calling it an ST? It's mentioned in the "News" section of this site but press release here: https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/feu/en/news/2023/03/08/new-ford-puma-st-powershift-expands-performance-appeal-with-elec.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexp999 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Just further diluting the ST naming imo. Not that it makes much difference. There will be no hot hatches soon. Only warm SUVs and crossovers from Ford. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Bloodaxe Posted March 15, 2023 Author Share Posted March 15, 2023 17 minutes ago, alexp999 said: Only warm SUVs and crossovers from Ford. Sadly, yes. I see they're unveiling their new VW based EV SUV on the 21st of this month. I'm beside myself with excitement!😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unofix Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 15 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said: unveiling their new VW based EV SUV bet it has ultra low emissions 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexp999 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 14 minutes ago, unofix said: bet it has ultra low emissions 🤣 Only for the next 4 or 5 years then you can enjoy all the legal company ads asking if you’ve been missold your EV. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Eric Bloodaxe said: I didn't really envisage a slightly warmed up 1.0 MHEV ecoboost with auto. Should they be calling it an ST? Tbf, it does have 170bhp! Remember when that was enough for a Focus ST? And it needed a heavy 2.0 engine doing 30mpg for that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanfp Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 Unless I'm mistaken or have misread a number of internet articles, surely the really surprising news here is that Ford are resurrecting the Powershift gearbox. Google (and loads of posts on this forum) says that it was troublesome, led to law-suits in various countries and hasn't been used for 6 years. (Yes, I know it's not exactly the same gearbox, but it must have a similar principle of operation). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexp999 Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, TomsFocus said: Tbf, it does have 170bhp! Remember when that was enough for a Focus ST? And it needed a heavy 2.0 engine doing 30mpg for that... It’s still only doing 30 mpg 😛 That Puma probably weighs about 500kg more than the mk1 focus though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 1 minute ago, alexp999 said: It’s still only doing 30 mpg 😛 That Puma probably weighs about 500kg more than the mk1 focus though. Yeah, I know it's not a direct comparison. Definitely seems like progress though. Would also be interested to know whether the turbo & genny give the 1.0 Puma much more torque than the NA ST170... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Bloodaxe Posted March 15, 2023 Author Share Posted March 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, alexp999 said: That Puma probably weighs about 500kg more than the mk1 focus though. I was wondering that, but from what I've seen so far they're fairly close around 1280kg. I guess you need to go back a bit further to the days of sub-tonne weights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Bloodaxe Posted March 15, 2023 Author Share Posted March 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, TomsFocus said: Would also be interested to know whether the turbo & genny give the 1.0 Puma much more torque than the NA ST170... Focus was about 144lb/ft, this Puma is 248Nm or about 182 lb/ft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Bloodaxe Posted March 15, 2023 Author Share Posted March 15, 2023 18 minutes ago, alanfp said: , surely the really surprising news here is that Ford are resurrecting the Powershift gearbox. It looks more like they're resurrecting the Powershift label for dual clutch boxes. The existing 125 and 155 MHEV Pumas already have a 7 speed dual clutch box (which has hopefully been improved over previous versions). I assume this version will get the same thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomsFocus Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Eric Bloodaxe said: Focus was about 144lb/ft, this Puma is 248Nm or about 182 lb/ft. That should help it along a bit then! Must admit I didn't realise the Mk1 Focus was so heavy either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Bloodaxe Posted March 15, 2023 Author Share Posted March 15, 2023 17 hours ago, TomsFocus said: Must admit I didn't realise the Mk1 Focus was so heavy either. No, I would have sworn it was lighter than that. Did a good search around and lightest figure I could find for the ST 170 was 1208kg for a 3 door. I guess you need to go back a good while further for significantly lighter cars. I remember magazine comparison tests in the mid to late 80s which included stuff like the Golf GTi, Astra GTE, Peugeot 309 Gti, Escort XR3i, which were all in the low-mid 900s kg. The MG Maestro was a bit of a bloater for the time at around 980kg. Going off the topic somewhat, but I still reckon cars from that era "felt" quicker, despite the huge increases in power since. Might be the weight, possibly the much lower overall gearing, perhaps the lack of driving aids like ESP, ABS, etc leading to a greater fear of ending up in a hedge!😃 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT70 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 13 hours ago, Eric Bloodaxe said: Sadly, yes. I see they're unveiling their new VW based EV SUV on the 21st of this month. I'm beside myself with excitement!😃 Which, they're going to call Capri 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveT70 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 12 hours ago, alanfp said: Unless I'm mistaken or have misread a number of internet articles, surely the really surprising news here is that Ford are resurrecting the Powershift gearbox. Google (and loads of posts on this forum) says that it was troublesome, led to law-suits in various countries and hasn't been used for 6 years. (Yes, I know it's not exactly the same gearbox, but it must have a similar principle of operation). It's not DCT250 or even DCT450 it's a unit bought in from Renault/Nissan group 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Bloodaxe Posted March 16, 2023 Author Share Posted March 16, 2023 1 hour ago, DaveT70 said: It's not DCT250 or even DCT450 it's a unit bought in from Renault/Nissan group Previous discussion on the 7 speed DCT suggests several manufacturers are using the same Magna box. https://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/topic/129798-fiesta-7-speed-dual-clutch-transmission-mhev/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanfp Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 8 hours ago, DaveT70 said: It's not DCT250 or even DCT450 it's a unit bought in from Renault/Nissan group Aha, so they've merely resurrected the name. Thanks for the explanation. Still seems a strange thing to do. A bit like if Ernest Jones/H Samuel were to rebrand their shops as "Ratners". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldridge Andy Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Have to admit I contacted my local Ford dealer to express an interest in the Puma ST Powershift. There seems to be hardly any definite information available on the car and its pricing. My dealers response was I’ll get back to you in a couple of months, so I’m guessing more details and availability from early summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexp999 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 5 hours ago, alanfp said: Aha, so they've merely resurrected the name. Thanks for the explanation. Still seems a strange thing to do. A bit like if Ernest Jones/H Samuel were to rebrand their shops as "Ratners". The puma itself is a resurrected name. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Bloodaxe Posted March 16, 2023 Author Share Posted March 16, 2023 28 minutes ago, alexp999 said: The puma itself is a resurrected name. As was Capri, having been used on the coupe version of the Consul Classic long before the ones most of us remember. Ford are obviously good at this resurrection business, I'll put my name down for a few years time and see if they can bring me back!😃 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Bloodaxe Posted March 16, 2023 Author Share Posted March 16, 2023 46 minutes ago, Aldridge Andy said: Have to admit I contacted my local Ford dealer to express an interest in the Puma ST Powershift. From the way we've all gone off at a tangent, I thought no-one was interested in Ford's latest offering. Shame the dealers don't know anything. I was curious as to how they will price it, but couldn't find any info on the website either! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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