RAYK47 Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Hi newbie here Looking for a Mondeo around the £7500-8000 mark. Obviously the best for what I can get (diesel, low mileage, parking assist, new as possible obviously etc). Looks like there are a few around that price range but wanted a few tips really. What should I be looking for in the diesel models? Basics please I am not a mechanic. What models offer the best value/extra's? how easy is it to replace stock radios and add parking sensors (if i cant get one with them already in) I am looking at a couple please let me know your thoughts on price etc 1.8 Zetec 2.0 Titanium (it says econetic but the pics show titanium on the back) also seen a 57 plate 2.2 ST. Looks fantastic and has sat nav and head rest monitors. It was a tradde in at my local ford garage but has no price on it yet. I am going looking at these at the weekend and I am sure I will find more to see. Just not sure what i need to look out for. Thanks Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWHITING Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Hello mate personally I would look at the titanium models as they are the most gadget equipt or the st but they are very thirsty for petrol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYK47 Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 yeah i like the blue titanium above but not sure if the price is right (£8k) for a 59 plate with 53k miles. I loved the look of the ST and it was extremely comfortable. The toys were nice as well. as it was the 2.2 diesel it apparently about 40mpg. That is pretty good and better than my current car (so should please the wife). My worry is that with the extra power under the hood i wont actually get 40mpg when i drive it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWHITING Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Ok I didn't see it was a diesel st that should be fine and I'm sure you would The best thing is to test drive the car again and look at the mpg as you drive it see what it reads should be good though The blue minded looks reasonable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOCA Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 yeah i like the blue titanium above but not sure if the price is right (£8k) for a 59 plate with 53k miles. I loved the look of the ST and it was extremely comfortable. The toys were nice as well. as it was the 2.2 diesel it apparently about 40mpg. That is pretty good and better than my current car (so should please the wife). My worry is that with the extra power under the hood i wont actually get 40mpg when i drive it. You will get 40mpg all day on it - if you go "byserk" or are driving around town, it will drop to about 35mpg, on a run, you could see as much as 50mpg (the estate is a bit heavier, and some have massive wide tyres, that can impact the MPG, as does the load/ driving style/ roads/ conditions etc) The mk3 (2000-2007) 2.2 (eg ST-TDCI) has a long stroke version of the 2.0L Ford engine, like i have in my car (mine is the TDDI with the vp44 pump/ mechanical injectors) the 2.2 and 2.0L TDCI use the Delphi electronic injectors that are "soft" when used with modern (low sulphor) pump diesel (the DMFs dUAL mASS fLYWHEELs can fail at higher milages and EGR eXHAUST gASS rECIRCULATION valves can play up - easier fix though )- the aux pulley has a tendency to rattle at tickover when to wears out (which it seems to do periodically) It sounds bad but generally these are at higher milages/ or these things may have been already replaced/ all cars have faults the mk4s have a completely different PSA engine the early mk4 2.2s are the best, they have the 172ps motors (better low- end torque the 200ps ones) & can be remapped to 220ps, a remap can improve the mpg on a diesel i would pesonally avoid the 1.8tdci as i feel its a bit small for a big, realatively heavy car, but if you must have one you can get one without the dreaded DPF which is a bonus Of the 2.0L tdci, the 140ps pulls from lower down the rev range than the peakier 163ps, they are both the same engine so if you are planning a remap you would be better off with the 140ps also With these sorts of cars its often about the deal, but they are (just about) on a par with the BMWs Audis etc to drive/ living day in/ day out with them, but at a more affordable price, they are all comfortable etc but the tit-x is nice inside and very well equipped with lots of creature comforts/ features the 2.2 ST-TDCI (mk3) is an earlier car than the mk4 (mk4 - 2007-2013) mk3 2000-2007 - you should be able to pick one up for a lot less than your budget, if you really like it, probably best to keep some money back for DMFs injectors etc (they did not make a mk4 ST - just the Titanium x) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Details from ETIS: Build Date: 10.12.2009Vehicle Line: Mondeo 2007-Body Style: 5 Door SaloonVersion: Series 60Engine: 2.0L Duratorq DOHC ECO 115PS - DW10Transmission: 6 Speed Manual Transaxle - MMT6Drive: RHD FWDEmission: Stage IV + DPF EmissionsAir Conditioning: Dual Zone Auto Temp Control A/CTerritory: (+)"GB"Paint: Blazer Blue and Minor Features Less Hill Launch AssistWith Standard Liftgate(-) Version PackagesGenk Plant BuildSecurity Lock Group #6Less Special Equipment PackageLess Fleet OptionsLess Marketing Flex Prep Pack'Fuel Economy'With Electronic Stability ControlLess Tyre Repair Service KitWith Global ClosingWith Electric Rear WindowsBlue Tinted Glass - CompleteWith Blue Glass WindscreenWith Heated WindscreenWith Console AshtrayLess Temp Controlled Glove BoxWith Monotone Instrument PanelFront Floor Carpet MatsRear Floor Carpet MatsLess Sun BlindsLess Load RestLess Rear Screen Sun BlindsWith Painted Front GrilleLess Roof RackWith Rear SpoilerElectric Operated Rear View MirrorDual Power/Htd/Fold/Pud Lamp MirrorLess Special Front Seat CoversLess Special Rear Seat CoversWith Rear Seat Centre ArmrestWith Passengers Man Lumbar SupportLess Temp Control Driver SeatLess Temp Control Passengers SeatLess Rear Heated SeatLess Child Intergrated SeatWith Driver 2 Way Pwr.Seat AdjusterWith Pass 2 Way Manual Seat AdjustLess Rear Seat Armrest PacksLess Trailer CouplingBody Coloured Exterior Door HandleWith Leather Gear Shift KnobPower Door Dead Lock W/Elec ReleaseDoor Entry R/Cont Unit-2 Flip KeysLess Keyless Entry SystemWith Automatic Windscreen WiperWith Heated Washer JetLess Headlamp Washer/WiperLess Sun RoofAir Curtain Restrnt LHAir Curtain Restrnt RHInflatable Knee Bolsters - DriverWith Side Air Bag - Drivers SideWith Side Air Bag - Passenger SideLess Passenger Air Bag DeactivationWith Mini Steel Spare WheelLess Tyre Pressure SensorsWith Standard Rear Shock Absorbers6.5 X 16" Alloy Light/Wght Forg WhlLimited Service Mini Spare TyreLess Wheel CoversLocking Wheel NutsStage IV + DPF EmissionsWith Sports Tuned SuspensionFront Spring Load Class-QRear Spring Load Class-FWith Brake Emergency AssistLess Skid PlatesSports Front SeatWith Rear Duct / B-PillarLess Air Purifier SensorWith 70 Litre Fuel TankLess Gaseous Prep PackSoft Feel Type Steering WheelWith Speed ControlWith Supplemental Air HeaterConventional Instruments - Level 3Thatcham Catergory 1 Alarm SystemLess Rear Parking AidLess Front Parking Aid80 AH BatteryLess Auxiliary Compact Disc PlayerBT/VC Phone Interface OnlyWith Dual Band AntennaHigh Level CDX6+AM/FM+DABWith 8 High Series Radio SpeakersVoice Activated Module - BritishLess CameraWith Halogen HeadlampLess Daytime Running LampsWith Front Fog LampsWith Footwell LightsWith Submarine Lighting-InteriorWith 2nd Row Reading LampsWith Automatic Headlamp On/Off You can't see in their photo whether it has the Convers display, but the text says 'conventional instruments', and those 6.5x16s aren't the right size for a titanium. Looks like someone bought an 'ECO' and went to town on the accessories list, including a titanium badge. As a general observation, Edges are what you don't want (no kit, just the basics), Zetecs are a bit more civilised (fogs, alloys, dual zone auto air con), Ghias a bit better still (Sony audio, slightly annoying 'pseudo-wood', bigger, but somewhat fragile alloys)and the Titaniums have (from the Zetec) the Convers, better alloys*, Sony Audio, and a titanium finish to the dash and spears. (* 'better alloys'; imnvho, the Y-spoke style are the best looking; the titaniums have better Y-spokes than the Zetecs, but they do take more expensive tyres; if you go down that route, be sure that you are happy with the price of tyres, as otherwise you'll be stuck buying nasty budgets) Parking sensors are a good thing (its a big car, and you can't see the corners) but not exactly difficult to retro-fit. EDIT: DMFs are reckoned to last 80k, so either buy one with a lot less or one for which the DMF has already been done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOCA Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 The ECOnetic was a special model with a detuned (115ps) version of the 2.0L PSA motor, it has mechanical and aero modifications to get better MPG and emmisions figures, the (lightweight/ smaller/ narrower) wheels are probably to get better MPG, and it was probably fitted with low- drag/ fuel efficient tyres - it is different from the regular models (eg tit-x zetec) but it is similar to Zetec spec and some bits of kit were left off to reduce weight,- this particular one seems to have had a lot of optional extras fitted- hopefully it did not add too much extra weight or ruin all Fords' engineers hard work to give it 54mpg avarage the car was lowered to reduce aero drag and special mirrors were fitted, an undertray was fitted, the engine was specially tuned etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOCA Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I had a look for some info on the econetic and found this - http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/ford/mondeo/first-drives/ford-mondeo-2.0-econetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stooge75 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 for the amount o money you're spending buy new mate. for just a lil bit extra ya'll get warranty etc.wouldnt touch another ford without 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYK47 Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 wow, thanks everyone (stooge, BOF and FOCA). That is a lot of very in depth information. My search continues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 My search continues. Seriously, that's good news. My reason for saying that is that you will be lucky to get a good deal from 'Perrys Motor Pavillion' - not impossible (particularly if you catch them with a car that they haven't been able to sell for 30 days and are prepared to drop the price on, to move on). It is quite possible to get a deal from them, it is just that my suspicion is that most people don't. To get an idea of 'market prices' look at the usual web sites (autotrader, exchange and mart, motors.co.uk) and also at Car Giant and M Jarvis who usually have a number of Mondys. I'm not going to say any dealer will always give you a good deal, just the more that you look around, the more you'll get an idea of what constitutes a good deal, and what doesn't. As a general rule, Edges are quite cheap, but almost everyone would prefer something with a bit more kit. Zetecs have a bit more kit and aren't that much more expensive. If you look at the kit list, and ask yourself 'What out of that lot do I really need' and then get a rough price, you'll have an indication of how much one spec is worth over the other, to you. Most enthusiasts would prefer a Titanium which have quite a decent array of kit, but do fetch higher prices, and whether you feel that is justified is an open question. Ghias are supposed to be more luxury, where Titaniums are supposed to be more sporty/techie, but you never get the feeling that the Ghia sub-brand had quite the clear marketing focus that the Titanium variants did. While you could add a load of kit on top of Edge/Zetec/Ghia/Titanium, the large majority of these would have been company cars, and most of the original owners will have just taken the standard trim levels, whatever is allowed for their pay grade. As far as mileage is concerned, these cars will take big mileages, and that shouldn't necessarily scare you; on the other hand, things do go wrong over time, and, if a car has been neglected that will only get worse. But many cars will have done their introductory years cruising along the roads shown in blue on the road signs, and that won't have been too hard on them. (At least, I'd rather have a ex-motorway cruiser than an ex-demo car or an ex-taxi.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYK47 Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 cheers BOF When you say a good deal from perrys do you mean that the cars they sell are sub standard or that they are not usually prepared to give any thing off etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 cheers BOF When you say a good deal from perrys do you mean that the cars they sell are sub standard or that they are not usually prepared to give any thing off etc. I mean that their prices usually start high, so they can normally knock a little off and still not offer a great deal. sometimes, you will see them with a car that they have knocked, say, £1000 off and they could not have done that if the price had been reasonable to start with. (They probably wouldn't have had to do it either, if the price had been reasonable to start with, but maybe they've got a rather generous part ex allowance built in to the sticker price, I don't know). All I can reasonably say is that other people start the process with a more reasonable starting point, but that may be because they don't have any part ex allowance built in, or that, as is common with some of the 'trade supersite' type of organisation, they don't have anything built in for negotiation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYK47 Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 i am not part exchanging my BMW so it will be a cash purchase. I will be expecting something off for a cash purchase, will see what happens. I have a few weeks before i need it so have a little time to look. Cheers again BOF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYK47 Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share Posted October 30, 2013 OK garage phoned regarding the 57 plate ST £5850 is there any way to get a list of what was installed when it left the factory? Serial number VIN number search etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Yes, go ETIS. That would be a top-of-the-range, late Mk 3 model, wouldn't it? I always think that the premiums that they attract over either more mainstream Mk3s or early Mk4s are difficult to justify, these days, but they are among the most desirable of the Mk3 models, whatever that is worth to you. But again, you can look online to get an idea of how much those are offered for, against other models that might appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stooge75 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 sell you my mk3 2007 tdci. its on ebay/gumtree. brand new gearbox/injectors. auction ends tonight,but im gonna pull it if no interest near the end. buy this & you know you're not gonna get any 6 speed gearbox problems down the rd item no: 251364023030 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYK47 Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share Posted October 30, 2013 Cheers for the link BOF Stooge, looks a bargain but to be honest I was really wanting something with a lot lower mileage. Also only considered a Mk3 because it was a diesel ST an had good extras etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stooge75 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 No probs mate. If i were you personally i wouldnt touch any ford with a getrag gearbox under 50k. And make sure you test drive it when engine & gearbox is 'stone cold'. I'd even go so far as to actually feel it to see its not been warmed-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYK47 Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 OK after guessing and second guessing what vehicle i was going to buy. (from a £20k BMW 520 to a £6k Fiesta). I have decided I am buying two vehicles (one will definitely be a van as I have wanted one for years). The family car will be this mondeo providing the test drive goes well this morning. It has just been reduced by £500 and ticks most of the boxes we want. I only need it for about 3 years so the higher mileage is not a concern. One question I have is that I want to fit some parking sensors, can anyone advise what ones I should buy and how easy are they to fit, and guides or tips etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeebowhite Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Nice and easy for fitting reverse sensors! I bought a set off eBay for about £16. The colour match wasn't too bad, and the display plugs into a cigarette lighter for power (I then have an on off switch) or I can wire them into a live feed for permalive. Basically you just need to first find where you want to drill the holes, later cars have got little marks in the back of the bumper so you know where to drill. just use a pointy instrument to push this out so you have a bump on the outside of the bumper. Take the drill and cut the hole. Pop each of the sensors into the hole with the angle adjuster behind it (make sure that you have the sensor flat). Then you need to remove the rear panel in the boot, so remove the trims from the boot catch area, then prize out the panel. You need to find the reverse wire, and then strip the insulation a bit, or cut it all together. I cut the wire, then twisted the positive feed for the sensors on one half of this wire, then used a butt connector and crimped the wires back together. You then need to find the earth point and attach the negative wire to this point, just release the bolt a little, slide it on, then tighten again. Look down the corner of the boot, you should have a rubber grommet, cut a small X into this with a knife, and then feed the wires from the sensors up through this hole and plug them all in. Attach the box to the wheel arch or somewhere solid and leave it in situ. If you have a hard wired panel (rather than wireless like mine) you then need to plug the wire in and run it to through the headliner to the front of the car and then connect your panel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYK47 Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 thanks for the info jeebo however I have just gone for a test drive and the car has already got reverse parking sensors (they just forgot to add it in the advert). Anyway I have put down a deposit and will be picking up Friday afternoon. Happy with the deal actually as i didnt realise they added on £274 for admin charges and there would not be any tax. So got them to add 6months tax and waive all the charges and paid £5900 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeebowhite Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Not bad at all, where are you buying it from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYK47 Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 Gates in Stevenage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeebowhite Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Main Dealer, Small Dealer or an indie sales? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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