So I've had a couple of other focus' and always managed to nurse the DMF's and not had any major problem besides a bit of vibration.

However, 18 months (and 50k) after this post....

http://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/topic/40592-20-tdci-focus-juddering-only-on-full-throttle-only-between-1800-2100rpm/

I appear to now be in flywheel hell.

I just wondered if anything has changed from previous models - car has done 100k so it's due. Vibration when idling (but only now and again), vibration through the clutch, rattling noise. All points to dual mass flywheel right? Starter motor is fine so I hoped that would keep the cost down somewhat.

However, first ford main dealer has quoted £1480. I knew it was going to be around a grand, but that seems a bit excessive.

Any thoughts?

Also tempted to buy the flywheel/clutch kit off ECP for £200 and have someone fit it - pros/cons/etc

Many thanks!

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I changed my clutch/flywheel/bearings at around 110k, same issues as you. noise sometimes with a knocking noise, vibration if i held the revs at about 2k.

Once changes it was like a new car!

I got all genuine ford parts after reading a few reviews online, it just seemed cheaper parts do the job but dont last as long.

I think all in my parts were about £600 from ford and i got it fitted by a garage i have always used. They did a spot on job.

so £1400 spondoolies seems a bit too much!

Hey Nitin - to be fair you've cheered me up with the new car stuff - I have been telling myself that might be the case. As I said, the car has had a few weird things in the usual 1800-2000rpm range for a while anyway. However, under any sort of idle load (example: holding at 2k) there is nothing :/

£600 for parts? I'm led to believe this is a pretty big job in terms of labour so I guess you were nearly up to a grand all in? I'm just concerned that as this is a major job, its best done at a (good) ford dealer. I realise many may disagree with that!

I'm lucky enough to have 3 ford dealers nearby. One is evans halshaw though so I discounted them immediately.

Awaiting a quote from the other dealer at the moment.

Really putting everything into the new car statement now :P Thanks!

Mark, i was strange when it was due for a change. sometimes it was be completly fine and lead me to believe there is naff all wrong. On the other hand some days i felt like the flywheel was going to give up at any min!

with load on the flywheel it is unlikely to make any noise or vibrate, its when it is left spinning "free" the springs get weak overtime and the two parts that make the flywheel have play in them.

it was about 2 years ago and £600 sounds about right (he says) but to depress you a little the garage did the whole job for free after i said i would produce a tax return for free for them, so win win ;-)

once the parts were changed i noticed the difference straight away, it was so smooth and litrally silent (as silent as a tdci can be ha) and to this day it is running perfect!

Can you not get a kit that's not dpf for these sure you can cut the cost down again got my mates mondeo changed a my other mates garage for a non DMV cost just over 300 fitted if I recall correctly .

do you mean a solid flywheel conversion Neil?

Mark, i was strange when it was due for a change. sometimes it was be completly fine and lead me to believe there is naff all wrong. On the other hand some days i felt like the flywheel was going to give up at any min!

with load on the flywheel it is unlikely to make any noise or vibrate, its when it is left spinning "free" the springs get weak overtime and the two parts that make the flywheel have play in them.

it was about 2 years ago and £600 sounds about right (he says) but to depress you a little the garage did the whole job for free after i said i would produce a tax return for free for them, so win win ;-)

once the parts were changed i noticed the difference straight away, it was so smooth and litrally silent (as silent as a tdci can be ha) and to this day it is running perfect!

That's exactly it - this morning there is hardly a fault, yet yesterday it was pretty poor. Ford dealer is going to take a listen later to confirm, but pretty sure it will be confirmed - they'd look at a broken headlight bulb and diag a new DMF :P

Can you not get a kit that's not dpf for these sure you can cut the cost down again got my mates mondeo changed a my other mates garage for a non DMV cost just over 300 fitted if I recall correctly .

Appreciate the post STEADS, and I know you are trying to be helpful,
but there's no way I'm going for a single-mass. Too many horror
stories, and I'd rather keep the car as it was designed.

Also pretty sure it's not me who's knackered this one, so it SHOULD be a single fix for the life of the car now.

Anything over a grand is just depressing, but I did know this was coming.

That's exactly it - this morning there is hardly a fault, yet yesterday it was pretty poor. Ford dealer is going to take a listen later to confirm, but pretty sure it will be confirmed - they'd look at a broken headlight bulb and diag a new DMF :P

Appreciate the post STEADS, and I know you are trying to be helpful,

but there's no way I'm going for a single-mass. Too many horror

stories, and I'd rather keep the car as it was designed.

Also pretty sure it's not me who's knackered this one, so it SHOULD be a single fix for the life of the car now.

Anything over a grand is just depressing, but I did know this was coming.

Im with you on this one Mark, stay away from a solid flywheel. So many post online about how crap they are!

The whole point of the dual mass is to reduce the virbration, until they are past their lifespan obviously :-p

£1500 at the other place as well.

Sure he said the parts alone are coming to around a grand.

I don't get why so much. Flywheel kit + clutch kit on ECP is £420. Even if I've missed some bits and bobs... where are they getting a grand from?

Any suggestions as to other places to try in Sheffield/Doncaster area?

Who's doing the job if a non ford dealer they are more than likely making hellish on the parts you think your getting cheap labour but the rest is hidden in the parts no an uncommon con

Who's doing the job if a non ford dealer they are more than likely making hellish on the parts you think your getting cheap labour but the rest is hidden in the parts no an uncommon con

The 2 Ford main dealers I've spoke to have got the same price (within £20) at £1480/£1499

I've just added a flywheel kit and clutch kit to my ECP basket for £429. I appreciate I may well have missed some other bits and bobs, but even so, the parts price seems a bit high.

If I by the bits myself - not a clue who I'd get to do the work.

I'm tempted to just spend the £1500, but its a horror show price. I don't know if I'm doing the right thing or not.

How much?!

I quoted a guy on here not so long ago for a 1.8tdci (parts are probably slightly cheaper) using a Sachs clutch and flywheel, genuine gearbox oil seals, hub retaining bolts, gearbox oil, ball joint pinch bolts -£500

I bet most garages won't replace half of that stuff despite the fact they should be. I would reckon the 2.0 tdci is no different in terms of fitting, just the clutch and flywheel may be slightly bigger.

Well if you fancy quoting :P I'm not even joking - considering the costs involved, what's a trip to scotland gonna cost!

Just trying a specialist (ford warranty repair place) for a maybe half and half price.

Asked me whether I wanted genuine parts or not. Any thoughts on either?

cost me £600 (£400 for Genuine Sachs Planetary DMF + Clutch Ki t+ csc) and £200 for labour at Mr Cluch

stick with genuine LUK/Sachs for the flywheel, you dont want anything cheap in there or it wont last very long

Thanks James.

I've actually got it booked in. I won't publicise where yet (we'll see how they do first!), but its with "non-genuine parts" which happen to be LUK (so the same thing without Ford on them), at a ford non-main dealer for £800 (slightly less).

Based on the £600 Mr Clutch price, it seems more reasonable than the main dealer and a good comprimise.

BTW It won't be done until the end of the month so I won't have a resolution for a while, but hopefully will have a working car up to that point!

Luk is that same stuff :-)

Good luck!

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£700 less than the dealer.. You can still get a holiday somewhere sunny too - result lol.

Luk is that same stuff :-)

Good luck!

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Looked back at my records and it cost me bit over £400 last year to have my clutch & flywheel replaced, plus fitting new diff all with parts I supplied. Glad you didn't just go for the price the dealer quoted you!

Think that while some Focus's have had the DMF fail the problem was a lot worse with the 2.2L Mondeo engine, this is also used in the Transit, Jag X-Type, black cabs, Land Rover Defender and so on. Ford themselves released a single mass dmf as a tech service bulletin fix, maybe the DMF used wasn't as happy with lot more stop-start use from vans & taxi's. The DMF failure in those engines usually took out the starter motor as well, think with my brothers transit the drive gear of the flywheel/starter motor was goosed adding to the repair cost. Ford were doing these parts at discounted rate depending on age of the vehicle etc.

Does seem ironic that the DMF is supposed to be there to help isolate the transmission from torque spikes, which it may well do but at the expense of the DMF being a consumable item instead.

Least the problems have been fixed in the main now.

Yep I should point out that for the past 2 days the knocking sound is really minimal - I was serious when I said I would have no concerns driving it long distance. I suspect some of you here, if you heard it, would think I was mad for getting it done so soon. But I too have heard the horror stories of it taking out the starter motor etc.

Also, although its 5 years old now, this is the newest, and most expensive car I've ever owned, and I just want it to be right really.

and yes, that £800 price is a full £700 less than main dealer prices. These guys have issues - as I said I really wanted to goto a main dealer, but that kind of price is utterly ridiculous and turned me against them. How can it be justified?

...and yes as far as I'm aware LUK are the ford supplier for these parts. It's OEM parts without an OEM badge.

Also I decided to say where it's going - Clark and Partners in Sheffield. Ford warranty repair centre but don't sell cars etc. A good half way house I feel...

http://www.sheffieldford.co.uk/

Will report back on how they do!

I'm sure they will do a good job, warranty repair companies are reliable.

Driving around shouldn't be an issue as long as you don't do any racing starts etc ;-)

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Bit of an update, and some more advice if anyone has any tips...

Car is still as it was - bit clunky, but alright, but I'm worried the vibration I was on about is unconnected.

Basically sometimes when it's idling (or coming to a stop at traffic lights), with the clutch down and engine idling there is quite a severe vibration. At first I thought it was connected to the clutch/flywheel but I'm pretty sure now that the engine is struggling - like 'running on 3' for example. Doesn't sound like it's going to stop but doesn't sound or feel right at all. The reason I don't think this is flywheel is because it either does it, or doesn't, No inbetween, and once it's had it's hissy fit for a few sets of lights, it clears itself and runs fine.

Any ideas what it could be, and can the flywheel/clutch being knackered 'confuse' the engine/ecu and cause faults like this?

Worried I've got more than one expensive problem (injector/DPF issues!).

Another update... all the noises have now stopped. Even foot on brake + lift clutch , I can't make the flywheel make any noise at all?!

either way get it changed, when mine was on the way out as i said sometimes it made no noise at all. othertimes it was like a bag of spanners