Pord Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Afternoon all, can I ask for some advice please? I'm in the market for a Focus diesel, either hatchback or estate. 05 new shape, ideally with 80k or less on the clock and for around £2.5k. There seem to be options on Auto Trader in this range, but I read about some (fairly serious) issues around failing turbos and DPF issues. My understanding is that the 1.6 especially is to be avoided, and to a lesser extent too the 2.0 (DPF). Both Peugeot engines, I think, as opposed to the 1.8, which is Ford built and doesn't have a DPF. I'm looking primarily for something reliable with good fuel consumption and reasonable road tax. Some comfort and extras would be a welcome bonus. Is my understanding of the options correct? Any specific recommendations? Thanks in advance Pord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney871 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 1.8 for sure. It's a more basic engine but as you say it is a Ford engine as opposed to a Peugeot one. It's very tuneable and robust. No DPF to worry about. As long as you change the fuel filter every year and keep an eye on the intercooler hoses for splits (best changed to silicone hoses) then you are bombproof. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pord Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 Many thanks Clive, that's tremendously helpful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney871 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 I love my 1.8, you get the typical diesel sound at start up and first few minutes of driving but after it starts warming up I often forget it's an oil burner. A remap reduces any turbo lag to hardly anything and it pulls well. Best way to drive them is get through first and second quickly then third has all the pull. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianb Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Part of the Peugeot family here, 1.6tdci owner. I love it, but wouldn't mind a bit more oomph which I'd imagine you'd definitely get from a 1.8 and 2.0... So really I wouldn't recommend a 1.6, purely from the fact it could do with a bit more of power that would always be helpful in some scenarios. Overall I've heard mixed reviews and I'd suspect that each engine owner has positives for there's and negatives for all others. Regarding any engine with the a DPF, there is the option to gut the DPF, which is illegal, but no one would be checking inside it and if they see it there then I doubt they'd investigate. EGR blanking would also help either a 1.6 or a 2.0... but I'd assume it'd also help a 1.8? Clive will probably be able to give an update on this, he's also given a fairly good recommendation for the 1.8, so might be the way to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney871 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Definitely blank the EGR, combined with a good remap you'll all but eliminate turbo lag and get better mpg and throttle response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy.B1971 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 For the money you want to spend I would say go for the 1800 it does have an old antiquated rough engine BUT pretty bomb proof and reliable, as you may have read the early 1.6tdci suffers from turbo failure etc etc etc,.so unless you have deep pockets stick with the 1800. I personally love my 1600 TDCI and the French engine much better with the EGR blanked, Basically you get the best you can afford and be happy, every car will have some sort of niggle.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney871 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 I suggest a test drive in a 1.6 and a 1.8 and see which one gives you the biggest smile before you decide. Be aware that the DPF will rear it's head at some point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassen Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 1.6 TDCI owner here and very happy with the car/engine since getting a tuning box. Stock it's pretty gutless and boring. Add the tuning box, it's a different story. My car was part of a fleet in the UK and it was well maintained by the company. Always serviced at Ford dealer and most probably done mostly motorway miles. I drive similar journeys and as such no problems with the dpf. So, if you find a good Focus and your driving includes mainly long journeys, I reckon you should be ok. What you save on getting a 1.6tdci, you either can get a higher specced car e.g Zetec/Titanium or map/tuning box plus egr blanked. The great thing is that you have options as the Focus is a fairly popular car and there are plenty to chose from. Happy hunting :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianb Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 For the money you want to spend I would say go for the 1800 it does have an old antiquated rough engine BUT pretty bomb proof and reliable, as you may have read the early 1.6tdci suffers from turbo failure etc etc etc,.so unless you have deep pockets stick with the 1800. I personally love my 1600 TDCI and the French engine much better with the EGR blanked, Basically you get the best you can afford and be happy, every car will have some sort of niggle.... Just the early ones? I have a 57reg, hope mine holds out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy.B1971 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 sorry Ian but yup the early mk2 BUT providing the correct grade oil is used and changed regularly then no reason for it to go wrong, I chose the 1.6 because in my personal opinion the Peugeot/citroen engines are one of the best diesel engines in the world, they were super advanced when I worked on them 20 years ago,but like I say that's my personal opinion.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianb Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 sorry Ian but yup the early mk2 BUT providing the correct grade oil is used and changed regularly then no reason for it to go wrong, I chose the 1.6 because in my personal opinion the Peugeot/citroen engines are one of the best diesel engines in the world, they were super advanced when I worked on them 20 years ago,but like I say that's my personal opinion.... Well I might be ok.. Mines a mk2 but it's a Dec 07 mk2, (just looked, it was built in november, registered december) just before the mk2.5 came out...unless you're classing mk2.5's as "late mk2's" I wouldn't mind a little more from the car. I don't know whether being an estate means mine is carrying significantly more weight... Then again me being 100kg's+ probably doesn't help either... I have my MOT coming up soon, after that I might blank the egr when I get some spare time/don't need the car at a moments notice.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredfox Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 does blanking off the egr not give fault codes where is the egr on cmax paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoney871 Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Occasionally a fault can show but very rare. On a 1.8 it's at the rear of the engine tucked up under the scuttle panel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixmasterlooney Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 1.6 tdci here, with regular service and some motorway driving every so often the dpf will stay in good condition, being a none serviceable dpf on Mk2.5. I can't fault the 1.6 but as already said it could do with a bit more power. If I'm honest I would go for the 2.0, stock power numbers aren't that impressive on the 1.8 compared to 1.6 and for and estate I would the extra power of the 2.0 would be better. Although saying that my car is low mileage and a 80k mile car won't be the same so it would be wise to go for a 1.8 to avoid turbo or dpf issues. Advantage of the 1.6 is of course £30 road tax mk2.5 and economy is good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pord Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 Thank you gentlemen for some great advice. How did we ever buy used cars before the advent of t'interweb...? George 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianb Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Thank you gentlemen for some great advice. How did we ever buy used cars before the advent of t'interweb...? George With a wing and a prayer... Sent via carrier pigeon using Ford OC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin lancelott Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 The 1.6tdci in the mk3 is alright also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theredfox Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Occasionally a fault can show but very rare. On a 1.8 it's at the rear of the engine tucked up under the scuttle panel. where is it on 1.6 tdci very tight engine bay compared to my passat i had paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianb Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 where is it on 1.6 tdci very tight engine bay compared to my passat i had paul Should find everything you need on here: http://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/topic/42915-guide-fitting-egr-blanking-plate-16tdci-engine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeebowhite Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I bought my first car without the use of the internet. But as I had just passed my test, my dad took me to a local used car lot, we went to the back where we saw the cheapo part ex motors, and I looked, found cheap and just bought it outright. Thought no point looking for the best runner as it will eat my budget, and any issues I can fix myself and learn from it! Second motor was my Fiesta Finesse 54 plate (MK6) decided one day that the head gasket was going on the first car (poor thing fought, won and then died!) so I had to get it swapped quick! pulled into the local Evans Halshaw (other dealerships are available) and just went for a nosey. Found myself a next to brand new 54 plate (3 year old) Fiesta Finesse, with only 9000 on the clock, the car was immaculate, the engine barely run in, and I got it for an absolute steal (yes, even through the dealers!) and I wangled them down on the price even more. Paid about £3.5k for that car, heck I am sure the finance was costing me more than the outright fee of the car. Every car since has been with the abuse of the internet, and damn it makes life easier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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