hopefirm Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Noise like a trainer scuffing a hard floor or the creak on a rusty gate-squeal,squeak, chirp-a mixture of them all Ford Fusion 1.4 petrol 53k 2009 When I change gear and declutch there is a quick noise like the above. Intermittent but then comes on and lasts a while or maybe only once and a while. Not the pedal spring. Gear change is fine and clutch seems fine. Noise not there when pulling away. Also the plastic moulding where the wipers are fitted. Normally this is sealed to the windscreen on many cars, mine has a gap as though removed at one time. Anyone confirm whether it should be sealed or not? Is the read solid colour Colorado red. Just bought car and looking for some expert advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeebowhite Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Did you buy it from a garage or trader? or did you buy this as a private sale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopefirm Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share Posted November 20, 2015 Bought it from a mechanic who works at a garage and sells cars on eBay, but advertised privately-so I guess a private sale, thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fused Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 No its not if he sells a number of cars? HMRC would consider him a trader. May not want to have HMRC look at his account. Contact your local Trading Standards Office ASAP they are usually very good and their pressure can suddenly change things. Does his garage know what he is doing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeebowhite Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I would agree if he is flipping cars he is a trader and you are entitled to your 6 months sale of goods protection Sent from my GT-I9195 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopefirm Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share Posted November 21, 2015 It was sold with a receipt 'sold as seen' so not sure where I stand with that. He greased the pedal mechanism and couldn't hear any noise on a test drive. States the gear box and clutch are fine and the car does drives fine, but the noise is definitely there. A sort of brief creaky gate noise when lifting the clutch, maybe 5 times on a 6 mile journey. Another garage said it was the thrust release bearing, but not sure if that would be so intermittent and of course it is the time of year to fish for business when it could be a much easier fix than an expensive labour intensive new 3 part clutch when the car hasn't an apparent clutch problem! So good if anyone has any ideas what it could be. The car has stood around for 3 months before I bought it, so something in need of lubrication? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeebowhite Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Fight the battle first on his sales terms. He has sold you the vehicle under false pretences. Sold as seen is illegal as a trader and if he is flipping cars on behalf of or using a garage to do the work he is a trader. Sent from my GT-I9195 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fused Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Sold as seen is not worth writing if he is a trader selling to the public, if it is a trade sale ie trade to trade that is something else. Get and opinion from a Ford garage go back with that and then contact Trading Standards if he will not play ball, the combination of TS plus HMRC should concentrate his mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeebowhite Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Fight the battle first on his sales terms. He has sold you the vehicle under false pretences. Sold as seen is illegal as a trader and if he is flipping cars on behalf of or using a garage to do the work he is a trader. Sent from my GT-I9195 using Tapatalk Also the fact he provided a received t stands in favour of the argument he is a trader. I wouldn't give a receipt for my car as I have the money and they have the v5 slip. End of. He's flipping cars and breaking the law. Trust me. Fight the battle with this guy, and get your terms of sale supported by the sale of goods act. The reason I say this, is because if your repair costs hundreds or worse... Thousands, then this is you out of pocket. However, get these terms on board and it's his problem not yours. I personally would never buy a car sold as seen. Last time I was looking I told them they are a business and breaking the law. I was swiftly 'convinced' they would honour a 24 month warranty. To which I argued I'd you can't sell a car right in the first place, how can I trust you to honour it... I wasn't that interested so told them to shove it and reported them. I would strongly suggest you get in touch with trading standards (nay urge you). If they come back and say he's private then fine but this smells awfully fishy. Sent from my GT-I9195 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeebowhite Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Sold as seen is not worth writing if he is a trader selling to the public, if it is a trade sale ie trade to trade that is something else. Get and opinion from a Ford garage go back with that and then contact Trading Standards if he will not play ball, the combination of TS plus HMRC should concentrate his mind. Trade to trade would not be considered here. These sales can only be done if the purpose is explained. I. E. If someone is buying the car for themselves then of course it's not trade to trade, but if you state your buying to resell then of course this could be considered. I suspect he will be trading illegally and will be duly enforced Sent from my GT-I9195 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopefirm Posted November 22, 2015 Author Share Posted November 22, 2015 Hi To be fair he wasn't hiding the fact that he was a mechanic at a garage which he seems to be a part owner or at least head mechanic. His advert was on eBay on his own account and he has another eBay site with his contact number where it is trading a handful of cars under the name of the garage. I had the choice of visiting his home or the garage, so chose the garage and he was on the V5 having got the car at an insurance auction in August. Unlike many, he answered questions honestly by email and the car has a recent mot with no advisories from another garage. Unfortunately I now have to find out what the noise actually is and it won't be easy unless it is a knowledgeable mechanic who gives free advice. The expectation is that even a Ford garage would want to strip things to get to look at bearings etc so of course that will be a few hours labour! Then if they say it needs a 3 part clutch who am I to argue, even though it might not be necessary? Can I really trust a Ford dealer? So is it true I have 6 months sale of goods protection? I guess it might depend on the nature of the fault causing the noise? If it is something he couldn't be aware of? Say it isn't the clutch or gearbox and something more minor, but still needing a repair? Anyway it is late, but I am thankful for your thoughts and advice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeebowhite Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 I would say buying the car at auction to flip regardless of the account tells me he is still a trader. I would say contact him and advise him there is an issue and that you do not believe he is true private seller and that you want your entitled protection. Sent from my GT-I9195 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeebowhite Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Alternatively I would contact trading standards for their opinion if you don't want to be confrontational Sent from my GT-I9195 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fused Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 If you get the opinion of a Ford dealer that should not cost, you can then take that to Trading Standards for advice then just proceed from there. You don't have to start a war. No one is just going to change a clutch or anything else unless they believe it is justified. A polite approach to the seller armed with information is the best way to proceed.You won't get anywhere just hoping someone will fix the issue. You have a clear case from your information and should not start playing about with lots of possible fixes without giving the seller an opportunity to resolve the issue. Small claims court is another option if you get a Ford assessment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopefirm Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 Many thanks. He did have a look and take it for a test drive and said there was no noise, but greased the pedal mechanism. Still an intermittent noise, so will follow your advice and have a word with a Ford dealer. Experience tells me that advice is rarely free from a dealership and they'll ask to have it in to have a look at a cost. They can't really offer a report without finding the fault which could mean a lot of work to see if it is say the release bearing. But you never know, they might be kind enough to take a test drive and know from experience what the noise is. Thanks again for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fused Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Why not post your location ? someone may know a dealer of specialist near to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopefirm Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 Hi Northumberland, or anywhere in Tynside or Newcastle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopefirm Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 Took it to a Ford dealer and was told it was around £75 to have a look and probably £500 to take the gear box out to inspect further. Another dealer quoted around £75 and then whatever labour costs to investigae further. Free advice is rare from a dealer, unless it is to book it in and we'll have a look at £75 p/h and multiple diagnostic fees. Just needs a mechanic who has worked with Fusions and has experience of the same issue, but where is he and is his intial advice given freely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantt Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Clutch squeal., either put up with it or have clutch changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopefirm Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 Could be but not necessarily as talking with an independent about Fiestas often having the same problem, many having a new clutch but then the same problem is still there. Off a Fiesta forum: the cause may be a bad release bearing. Other causes include a bad pilot bushing, a worn or defective input shaft bearing in the transmission, a worn, bent or improperly lubricated release fork, a worn input shaft, improper disc installation, misalignment, damaged bearing retainer, loose flywheel bolts, damaged disc splines, or worn stop pins or broken damper. Hence unless a garage had dealt with the same problem and can identify by a test drive and hearing the actual noise, every garage this time of year will advise a new clutch. But the clutch isn't slipping. You could be right that it is just an annoying clutch squeal, so maybe I just put up with it unless it gets worse B) Thanks for your reply as most appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantt Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Hear the noise quite often on fiesta and fusion, most people just put up with it, or dont even notice it . Lol As for forums , dont believe all you read, except for this one . Ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fusionfan2 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 I have a bit of clutch squeal on release (102k miles) have learnt a clutch technique that minimises it. My gearbox is a little crunchy too so expect a new clutch will be due in next 2-5k miles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopefirm Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 Yes I guess the elderly hard of hearing might not notice it (the ones who drive the beige colour), but as I am not so elderly and am deaf in one lug then it can't be that easy to put up with ;) I believe everything that the car salesman tells me and also those nice emails from Nigeria and of course that Spanish lottery I have just won, but can't recall ever entering it..I must be one of those daft deaf elderly Ford Fusion drivers :) Of course I believe everything on this forum, that is why I am here B) Ben. what is your technique? A Ford dealer would say a new clutch would certainly minimise it at £450. A 3 part decent clutch is only £90 -10% from Euro car parts as long as you know a decent independent to do it right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopefirm Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 1.20 -to the end 1.22 1.38 1.48 2.05 That is the exact noise after doing some detective work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantt Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 That's the clutch plate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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