dans34 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 anyone know if it is possible to retrofit the Mk3.5 Instrument Cluster to an MK3 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW1982 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Why would you want this? The Focus MK3 and MK3.5 instrument clusters are technically identical. The only differences between the MK3 and MK3.5 instrument clusters are basically the hardware version number and the software. Because of this the MK3.5 instrument cluster software can be programmed onto the MK3 instrument cluster without any problems. To do this you need a suitible diagnostic system that has the ability to manually select the desired software version files (for example the FoCCCus software or the UCDS diagnostic system). The Ford IDS diagnostic system can not do this because of the different hardware version number. Despite being technically identical there are however a few software differences that can cause problems. The Focus MK3.5 for example has a slightly different communication of the parking sensor control module. When a MK3.5 instrument cluster is installed or the original MK3 instrument cluster is reprogrammed using the MK3.5 software there will no longer be audible information (beeps) from the parking sensors and Active Park Assist. This is only applicable on vehicles that have factory fitted parking sensors. Another problem when a MK3.5 instrument cluster is installed or the original MK3 instrument cluster is reprogrammed using the MK3.5 software can be that the illumination dimming function of the light switch stops working. On the MK3.5 the illumination dimming function is integrated into the instrument cluster menu. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dans34 Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 mainly for the bigger screen in the middle just to clarify this is a 3.5 cluster right ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182546142407 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexp999 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 23 minutes ago, dans34 said: mainly for the bigger screen in the middle just to clarify this is a 3.5 cluster right ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182546142407 Mk3 had the option of a bigger screen too, you'd be better off getting one of those. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dans34 Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 I think I may have found one for approx. £65 , does that sound about right (just clarifying the millage with the seller ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW1982 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 There are 3 different types of instrument cluster for the Focus MK3 and MK3.5. Level 1 = 3.5 Inch small monochrome display without boardcomputer. The display only shows total mileage and trip mileage and has a button to reset the trip mileage. Level 1+ = 3.5 Inch small monochrome display with boardcomputer. The display shows shows total mileage, trip mileage and all other board computer functions. All board computer functions are control by the multifunctional button on the steering wheel. Level 3 = 4.2 inch Full Colour display with boardcomputer. This type of instrument cluster has basically the same functionality as the Level 1+ instrument cluster. Next to this the Level 3 instrument cluster has the ability to show satnav echo messages (arrows). Which type of instrument cluster is installed depends on the trim level and other optional extras of the car. The Level 3 instrument cluster for example is only installed on a Focus MK3 if the car has satnav, the Sony audio system or other options that require the Level 3 instrument cluster. If none of these options were ordered the car will have the Level 1 or Level 1+ instrument cluster (depending on trim level). A Level 3 instrument cluster can be retrofitted to a Focus MK3 with a Level 1+ instrument cluster without any problems. This is basically plug and play. The instrument cluster contains a backup file of the Central Car Configuration. This file has only backup purposes and is not used by the cars electronics. Despite being plug and play I would strongly recommend to reprogram the instrument cluster to match your car's configuration. Another popint of concern may be the mileage. On the Focus MK3/MK3.5 the mileage is stored inside the instrument cluster. When changing the instrument cluster the mileage needs to be adjusted to the mileage of the car. Remember that it is much easier to change the mileage upwards than downwards. Some time ago I retrofitted the Level 3 instrument cluster into my Focus MK3. My car did originally have a Level 1+ instrument cluster. Because of rediculous prices accross Europe I decided to buy a mint condition low mileage USA Focus MK3 Level 3 instrument cluster. Including shipping from the USA this instrument cluster costed me about a quarter of the price of a mint condition European instrument cluster. Because I live in the Netherlands I replaced the dial plate with a European one (KM/H) and fully reprogrammed the instrument cluster to European specs. I went from this: To this: Both of these instrument clusters have the ST menu enabled which unlocks the more advanced ESP settings menu and the ST logo. £65 is a bargain for a Level 3 instrument cluster. A Level 3 instrument cluster usually sells for a lot more money. be aware that there are differences between Diesel and Petrol instrument clusters. You have to make sure to buy the correct one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dans34 Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 @JW1982 based on what you wrote above my car currently has the Level 1+ cluster I too want to retrofit the Level 3 cluster not interested in the ST stuff as mine isn't an ST equipped vehicle I have also seen some new USA clusters from the same people that do the reverse camera module (Russians I think) , even buying from them would work out pretty good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW1982 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 These Russians usually sell used instrument cluster. They simply adjust the mileage to zero which makes it very easy to adjust it upwards to the mileage of your car. My experience is that it is even cheaper to buy one from the USA yourself. I bought one from the USA myself for less than €100,- including P&P and import charges. When buying an instrument cluster from the USA you must be aware that the hardware version number of a USA instrument cluster is different from a European or UK instrument cluster. Because of this a Ford dealer can not update the software. Just like a MK3.5 instrument cluster a Focus MK3 USA instrument cluster is not recognised by the Ford IDS system as a suitible part for the Focus MK3. To update a USA instrument cluster ro the latest software version you need a suitible diagnostic system that has the ability to manually select the desired software version files (for example the FoCCCus software or the UCDS diagnostic system). Based on your user information you have a 2012 1.6 TDCI. In this case a USA instrument cluster is not suitible. Diesel version of the Focus MK3 are never sold in the USA. Because of this all USA instrument clusters are for petrol engines. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantt Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 i paid £92 inc postage off eBay for mine, worth the money in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dans34 Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 Just an update to this , seller doesn't know the millage , managed to grab it for £50 Does anyone know the process if the millage is higher than my car to get it lower ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW1982 Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 If the mileage of the instrument cluster you bought turns out to be higher than the mileage of your car it needs to be adjusted downwards. This is much more complex than adjusting the mileage upwards. Most Ford specific diagnostic systems (including the IDS/FRDS diagnostic systems Ford dealers use) only have the ability to adjust the mileage upwards. If you need to adjust the mileage downwards you have to invest in a suitible diagnostic system or find someone close to you who owns a suitible diagnostic system that has the ability to change the mileage downwards. The Russian Ford specific UCDS system for example can change the mileage downwards (this is an additional paid function of the UCDS system). Another possibility is to search for a local specialist who repairs instrument clusters and offers mileage adjustment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRP Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 On 27.05.2017 г. at 1:52 PM, dans34 said: Just an update to this , seller doesn't know the millage , managed to grab it for £50 Does anyone know the process if the millage is higher than my car to get it lower ? About a year ago I bought this cable. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/OBD2-Odometer-Correct-and-Immobiliser-Key-Programming-Tool-for-Ford/32614479353.html I also changed the instrument cluster with a color 4.2 inches.I bought it from Ebay and it was 140,000 km and my 69,000 km. With this cable I returned my old kilometers without any problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacoghi Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 So the mileage is not stored on the ECU or bcm? Everything comes from the instrument cluster and that's it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacoghi Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 On 6/8/2017 at 9:49 AM, PRP said: About a year ago I bought this cable. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/OBD2-Odometer-Correct-and-Immobiliser-Key-Programming-Tool-for-Ford/32614479353.html I also changed the instrument cluster with a color 4.2 inches.I bought it from Ebay and it was 140,000 km and my 69,000 km. With this cable I returned my old kilometers without any problem. Did you get any dtcs after changing the mileage using that cable? Is it a safe bet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamcob Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Hi all, just enquiring, i was to upgrade my instruments to the latest instruments (level 1 to level 3) is it just plug and play? thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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