2013 1.0l Ecoboost engine rust. Problem?

[Jonro2009]

Ive checked our 1.0 100ps fez and the pipes are as clean as the day they left the factory, thank goodness. Will still look into treating them though


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[dansallis]

Will check my 1.0 100PS this evening. I am glad Ford have raised this as a known issue and customers are getting the service they deserve.

Also, it seems that the "Ford Focus EcoBoost 1.0L Turbo Zetec Faulty Coolant Pipe Engine Head Gasket" page is led by a crazed autocrat, focused only on compensation and ridicule. 

[MJNewton]

Unfortunately Ford (UK at least) haven't raised the rusting pipes as an issue - they are leaving it up to customers to discover and raise it with them where they'll assess each one on a case by case basis. More astute dealers might also pick it up (if they are aware of the TSB - mine wasn't and didn't check for it during servicing) and perhaps raise it on our behalf. Because of this reactive approach I am sure that some will discover it only once it is too late. Certainly when I got in touch with Ford they acted as if I was the only person to have ever had this issue. 

[dansallis]

Phew, all good here. 

[ThaiFiesta]

I haven't got any (yet) but am going to clean and paint with high temp paint any way. Better to be safe. 

[dansallis]

13 hours ago, ThaiFiesta said:

I haven't got any (yet) but am going to clean and paint with high temp paint any way. Better to be safe. 

That's a good idea, I think I will do the same.

What stuff will you be using? And are you going to remove the attached hoses to do it?

[ThaiFiesta]

3 hours ago, dansallis said:

What stuff will you be using? And are you going to remove the attached hoses to do it?

I had some black high temp spray paint that I used on my drum brakes. I might brush paint that on. I won't remove the hoses at this stage, but might go back and do the bits under the hose when I do a coolant change. If it's rusting from being dissimilar metals then the paint won't do much anyway. 

[Andrew_S-Wales]

Well its been a month since I treated the rust on the pipes in my engine so still early days but all looks good so far. This is the paint I used:

 

http://www.halfords.com/motoring/paints-body-repair/specialist-decorative-paints/halfords-vht-paint-silver-grey

[Guest]

Having bought my Ford about 2 months ago from well known dealership I also have this problem, rusting on two parts of the turbo and as the specific parts can't even be replaced we'll likely be looking at a new turbo or going down the route of a repair that may not even be a permanent solution.

I spoke to Ford and a man informed me that even if the car was under warranty then this item wouldn't be replaced as it's not actually broke, naturally I laughed and explained that it's good to now know how Ford operates. They've clearly got a problem here on certain Ecoboost models that they will be forced to address as the number of complaints continue to rise.

After my nice conversation with the chap at Ford I'm going to next speak with customer relations, they are aware of the problem so I'll kindly provide an update on what they have to say.

However my car is under a 12 month warranty with the dealer I purchased the vehicle from so I'll wait for them to get back in touch Monday but what really intrigues me here is that the vehicle has full service history with Ford, this leads me to believe that either:

1) Ford servicing engineers are terrible at their jobs and have no idea that an integral part of the Ecoboost has a to be catastrophic problem

2) Ford are ignoring the problem and will only act upon customer contact, as this is the cheapest option.

I'd wager the latter.

[Chrisrn]

I just give mine the odd spray with alloy wheel protector if it works on wheels it should be OK and my pipes a are as shiny as the day they left the factory.

[MJNewton]

Alloy wheels aren't susceptible to rust, and any protection provided would likely only be temporary. 

[isetta]

i can't see that anything designed for alloy wheels would be useful on those pipes due to the high level of constant heat on the pipes,  which would not have been a consideration for anyone formulating something for alloy wheels

[Vendee]

On 11/23/2017 at 8:30 PM, Andrew_S-Wales said:

Well its been a month since I treated the rust on the pipes in my engine so still early days but all looks good so far. This is the paint I used:

 

http://www.halfords.com/motoring/paints-body-repair/specialist-decorative-paints/halfords-vht-paint-silver-grey

Was a primer required before you applied the VHT paint?

[Andrew_S-Wales]

On 11/27/2017 at 6:40 PM, Vendee said:

Was a primer required before you applied the VHT paint?

I didn't use a primer, just rubbed down the pipes as best I could to get rid of the surface rust.

[AlexBartlam]

wasn't aware of this, iv got 2013 model, i will be looking later.

[dom550]

On 02/10/2017 at 8:13 PM, 2013Ecoboost said:

Well, my Fiesta now has a new turbo and degas hose too. Total cost for turbo and labour was £1090, thankfully the mechanic at trust ford has described the original turbo rust as a manufacturers design fault so Ford CRC are currently negotiating how much they will contribute to the cost.

Thanks for raising awareness. I checked mine this morning thanks to this thread, and they're not looking good. If I hadn't seen this thread I would have driven until my engine went pop.

My plan is to contact Ford CRC for confirmation that they will cover the cost of a new turbo, and a Ford dealer to get it arranged. I'll be referencing this thread and the facebook page mentioned earlier as proof that it's a known-about issue which Ford are paying for on other cars. Does anybody know if there's anything else I should be doing?

Cheers again!

Update - dealer didn't know about it and said there are no outstanding recalls or TSBs on my car. 63-plate Ecoboost 1.0 125. Said if it got done it would just be a normal job i.e. couldn't confirm that Ford would be paying for it without a reference number or something. Really just what I was expecting if they hadn't had anybody with the same issue at their branch before me. Am I right in thinking CRC is the right place to chase for agreement that Ford'll pay?

[loydpg]

1 hour ago, dom550 said:

Thanks for raising awareness. I checked mine this morning thanks to this thread, and they're not looking good. If I hadn't seen this thread I would have driven until my engine went pop.

My plan is to contact Ford CRC for confirmation that they will cover the cost of a new turbo, and a Ford dealer to get it arranged. I'll be referencing this thread and the facebook page mentioned earlier as proof that it's a known-about issue which Ford are paying for on other cars. Does anybody know if there's anything else I should be doing?

Cheers again!

Update - dealer didn't know about it and said there are no outstanding recalls or TSBs on my car. 63-plate Ecoboost 1.0 125. Said if it got done it would just be a normal job i.e. couldn't confirm that Ford would be paying for it without a reference number or something. Really just what I was expecting if they hadn't had anybody with the same issue at their branch before me. Am I right in thinking CRC is the right place to chase for agreement that Ford'll pay?

I would contact Ford's Customer Relations/Care Department!

As usual, main dealers will fob you off with "not known fault" or " no recalls mate!"!!!

Good luck, and let us know how you get on, it may help others.

[dom550]

2 hours ago, loydpg said:

I would contact Ford's Customer Relations/Care Department!

As usual, main dealers will fob you off with "not known fault" or " no recalls mate!"!!!

Good luck, and let us know how you get on, it may help others.

Cheers, will do!

Thinking Ford will want the dealer's mechanic to confirm that the rust is due to the manufacturing fault mentioned in this thread. Otherwise I could just have blown up my turbo with silly engine mods or something and now be trying to get Form to pay by quoting a known fault. So what happens if the dealer mechanic says "that's just normal rust, not Ford's fault"? Or will the mechanic just have to confirm that there's rust on the pipes to get CRC to pay? Anybody know?

[isetta]

have you taken photos to show us and Ford. Photos  would show Ford whether it was superficial surface rust or rust that is really eating in.

Car makers must hate the internet. In the pre-internet age (I am old enough to remember) there was no way for the public to share this kind of info so car makers must have got away with all sorts of common problems and not admit to anyone that the same fault had ever occurred before.

[Tiexen]

43 minutes ago, isetta said:

Car makers must hate the internet. In the pre-internet age (I am old enough to remember) there was no way for the public to share this kind of info so car makers must have got away with all sorts of common problems and not admit to anyone that the same fault had ever occurred before.

Ford Pinto. Is possibly the best example of what happens when poor engineering meets corporate negligence.

A problem was discovered in the fuel tank design. In low-speed rear-end crash testing, the fuel tank, positioned behind the rear axle and in front of the rear bumper, exhibited several flaws. Upon impact, the filler neck would tear away from the sheet-metal tank and spill fuel beneath the car. The tank was also easily punctured by bolts protruding from the differential and nearby brackets.

These problems combined to create a serious risk of fire, so engineering teams proposed solutions, but at the time, management's attitude was to get the product out the door as fast as possible.

To fix the problems would cost an additional $11 per vehicle, and Ford weighed that $11 against the projected injury claims for severe burns, repair-costs claim rate and mortality. The total would have been approximately $113 million but damage payouts would cost only about $49 million, according to Ford's math.

So the fix was nixed, and the Pinto went into production in September 1970.

By 1974, complaints of failing fuel tank straps and of the generally dangerous build quality of the car, a court in Orange County, Calif., awarded $125 million in damages to Richard Grimshaw, who'd been injured in a low-speed accident when his Pinto burst into flames.

In 1978, all 1971-through-1976 Ford Pintos were recalled and upgraded with the originally proposed shielding and reinforcements.

The company long endured a reputation for putting profits ahead of build quality, which, ironically, drove even more customers to foreign and competing brands.

[dom550]

4 hours ago, isetta said:

have you taken photos to show us and Ford. Photos  would show Ford whether it was superficial surface rust or rust that is really eating in.

Here's one. Would be interested to hear what people say, but doesn't look good to me.. Open it up fullsize and you can see a decent amount of detail.

[TomsFocus]

Has anyone worked out if there are a bad batch of pipes between certain dates or if it's due to a damp and salty location or something?  Can't understand why some are still perfect at the same age as others that look awful...   

 

[dom550]

25 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

Has anyone worked out if there are a bad batch of pipes between certain dates or if it's due to a damp and salty location or something?  Can't understand why some are still perfect at the same age as others that look awful...  

Don't believe mine has ever been in a typically high-rust area!

Should I also be pushing for a replacement of my degas hose if it's the old style like this?
http://www.newtonnet.co.uk/permanent/ecoboostcorrodedcoolanthose.jpg
(thanks to MJNewton on here for the picture)
Don't want to send this off-topic, but am I right in thinking the two things might be potentially related..?

[Vendee]

51 minutes ago, dom550 said:

Here's one. Would be interested to hear what people say, but doesn't look good to me.. Open it up fullsize and you can see a decent amount of detail.

 

That is not good at all. You have already lost some material and I'm not sure it is recoverable without replacement. Hard to say from the photo but I would think you have lost 30% of the tube thickness already. I see you are in Scotland. Do they salt the roads quite heavily where you live?

[TomsFocus]

I thought Scotland was always damp?   Plus if you're on the coast the salty sea air won't help, it rusts things quickly on the East Coast down here in Suffolk.  

Meant to say above, that pipe definitely wants replacing imo!