SuttonRider

New Tyres Wanted - and you're help

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On 1/17/2018 at 3:43 PM, SuttonRider said:

OK follow up - I've changed the 2 fronts for Michelin Pilot Sport 4's and although I've only done 30 or so miles my first impression is they are quieter than the worn Sport 3's that came off. I also think the tramlining problem has improved a little.

£150 fitted per corner...pricey!

 

I'm always a bit dubious of a summer tyre all year round. A pal has had both the Pilot 4's and the AS3's on his MK2 ST and doesn't rate them for grip in heavy rain and/or cold weather.

 

I'm about to get two new front tyres on my MK3 Focus 1.0 and they are currently Michelin Radial X's (whatever they are!)

 

I had Uniroyal Rainsport 3's on my old Focus and they were great in the weather we have in the UK. For the few months of dry weather i'll take the hit for the piece of mind for the rest of the ***** weather we have!

 

I use www.camskill.co.uk to buy tyres and get them fitted at my local Formula1Autocentre.

I have used BlackCircles before if the deal is good.

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They were £270 for both tyres (235/40 18) with the precision balance (not sure if that's worth it). From F1 Autocentres. One thing, I checked the pressure a few days after the tyres were fitted and one was at 46psi the other at 41 when both should have been 30. I double checked with another pressure gauge and that read the same. Bit naughty of F1 Auto's.

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7 minutes ago, SuttonRider said:

They were £270 for both tyres (235/40 18) with the precision balance (not sure if that's worth it). From F1 Autocentres. One thing, I checked the pressure a few days after the tyres were fitted and one was at 46psi the other at 41 when both should have been 30. I double checked with another pressure gauge and that read the same. Bit naughty of F1 Auto's.

Out of interest, I don't mind if you don't answer but, how much extra did they charge you for that precision balance?

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It was £3 per wheel. Stef I expect you're right, but for £6 I thought I'd give it a go, just to see.

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I know everyone's opinions are different, but I've just put a set of 4 ROADSTONE EUROVIS Sport04 on my car 3 week's ago, initial views on these tyres are excellent, really quite and the ride quality excellent (compared to my last budget tyres) grip in wet, dry, light snow, absolutely fine.

Payed £165 for the 4 tyres plus £40 for fitting including balancing.

Happy chappy 😀

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Yes, £3 each on top of the standard balance.

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precision balancing, thats when the fitter doesnt bother balancing the wheel and smashes a 15g weight on oposite the tyre valve. seen that happen a few times. lol

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8 hours ago, SuttonRider said:

Yes, £3 each on top of the standard balance.

They've set their balancer to fine, super fine or race mode depending on machine (presuming their balancer is able) and your find some small weights (2.5g) on the inner of the wheels then as even budget machines normally balance down to 5g..

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Without knowing the exact definition of "precision balancing" it is very difficult to determine if this service is actually worth the extra money or not.
 

Personally I do not want the weights to be visible from the outside. I always ask specifically to put the weights only behind the spokes of the wheels.

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Mounting tyres / balancing the wheels this way takes significantly more time than standard mounting/balancing. I am more than willing to pay an additional fee for this.

Last Year I paid €80,-  to mount the tyres and balance 4 wheels this way at a local tyre specialist. I supplied the wheels and tyres (all brand new) myself so I only paid the tyre specialist for its services

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Some of the fancy machines can apply load using a roller, these are called a road force balancer. There are all sorts of machines out there claiming to do things others can't, just how much of it is actually worthwhile, well... 

Also some machines can be set to hide the weights behind the spokes, you load in the data using a laser pointer and it calculates where to position them so they are hidden.

I have a bog standard type balancer which works very well (as pictured). I ain't to bothered about hiding weights and to be honest I've never come across someone who is lol. It takes me to keep my wheels 'round' in shape never mind getting fancy with them :lol: With my motorbike tyre i will try to position the tyre to the best spot to hopefully get away without needing any weights but those are not dynamically balanced like a car wheel, they are static balanced. However it doesn't always work like that and you do end up with weights. 

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sounds like youve got more equipment than we have at work!! 

we have got a nice balancer with lcd screen readouts though. how long that screen lasts when wheel weights getting thrown around is any guess. 

hofmann series something. lol

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12 minutes ago, iantt said:

sounds like youve got more equipment than we have at work!! 

we have got a nice balancer with lcd screen readouts though. how long that screen lasts when wheel weights getting thrown around is any guess. 

hofmann series something. lol

you know, its funny how many folk get in touch when they know what kit you have! Saving up for a new diagnostic kit and scope next. I will be sleeping with it under my pillow!!

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This is allegedly from F1Autocentres

"Precision balance is within 1 gram as per the vehicle whilst standard balancing is within 5 grams as per the wheel. It is the same machine but the precision balance uses an add on to the existing machine to ensure the higher level of accuracy. It is recommended that all 17 inch wheels and above should all be precision balanced, due to the balancing being exaggerated on larger wheel sizes"

That aside, what pi**ed me off was that they left one tire with 46psi the other with 41 when both should have been at 30.

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On 10/01/2018 at 1:06 PM, DJ_Andy_M said:

I'm baffled that your tires are down that low at 8500 miles. My Conti SportContact 3's supplied from factory did a total of 25k per the car's milage and that's after I picked her up on 13.5k miles. My sportcontact 5's that replaced them also did 25k. I'm now on 51k and just recently fitted premiumcontact 6s.

No reason to be baffled - someone has been giving it too much right foot.  I wouldn't be surprised if the clutch required replacement on the earlier side of typical either.

Quickest I've destroyed a tyre on the road was the back tyre on my ZZR1200.  I wrote it off in an afternoon!  It needed a new chain, sprockets and cush drive every third tyre, so I soon got used to riding sensibly (ie, only twice as fast as any Evo or R34 I came across...)

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3 hours ago, iantt said:

do you ever have time to do anything else in life? 

Afraid not mate. I ain’t a drinker or into football. Sadly I like to pride myself in being able to fix things and enjoy a bit problem solving lol. 

Im into lady’s of the night aswell lol

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14 hours ago, JW1982 said:

Personally I do not want the weights to be visible from the outside. I always ask specifically to put the weights only behind the spokes of the wheels.

I didn't even know that was possible!  Thought I was picky enough with stuff like that...on wheels with front rims, I always ask that the weights are stuck inside instead of hammered onto the face...  I was looking at these last week, how does anyone fit the weights like that, look at them and think that's a good job!? :laugh: 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-focus-alloy-wheels-/282807858648?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=FUbIKVXCksFZc0YdnxvXlJkrYVg%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

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30 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

I didn't even know that was possible!  Thought I was picky enough with stuff like that...on wheels with front rims, I always ask that the weights are stuck inside instead of hammered onto the face...  I was looking at these last week, how does anyone fit the weights like that, look at them and think that's a good job!? :laugh: 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-focus-alloy-wheels-/282807858648?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=FUbIKVXCksFZc0YdnxvXlJkrYVg%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

I had some better photos but I can’t find them so this will need to do for now lol.

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11 hours ago, Jethro_Tull said:

No reason to be baffled - someone has been giving it too much right foot.  I wouldn't be surprised if the clutch required replacement on the earlier side of typical either.

Quickest I've destroyed a tyre on the road was the back tyre on my ZZR1200.  I wrote it off in an afternoon!  It needed a new chain, sprockets and cush drive every third tyre, so I soon got used to riding sensibly (ie, only twice as fast as any Evo or R34 I came across...)

There is nothing more satisfying than blasting past the wannabe fast car drivers in their flashy motors :lol: It's just a shame that most members of the bike club i'm in replace their tyres because the centre section has worn out lol. 

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In all the years I have been getting tyres changed, I have never had to ask for the weights to be put in the inside of the rim so they are hidden. They have always just done it that way for me! 

Anyways, tyres. My focus had Michelin Primacy's on it. The car had been sat for a number of years doing not very much until I got it. I hated the tyres from day one. Tram lining and just generally being horrible. Got them changed to Avon ZV7's and the car feels so much better for it. For a cheaper tyre that performs well in all road conditions, is not noise and lasts reasonably high mileage I cannot complain. 

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8 minutes ago, Arwen said:

In all the years I have been getting tyres changed, I have never had to ask for the weights to be put in the inside of the rim so they are hidden. They have always just done it that way for me! 

Anyways, tyres. My focus had Michelin Primacy's on it. The car had been sat for a number of years doing not very much until I got it. I hated the tyres from day one. Tram lining and just generally being horrible. Got them changed to Avon ZV7's and the car feels so much better for it. For a cheaper tyre that performs well in all road conditions, is not noise and lasts reasonably high mileage I cannot complain. 

It's a vote from me too on the ZV7's. I switched from Kumho tyres (cant remember the model) and straight away noticed the lack of road noise i was used to. Grip in the dry, feels much the same but a significant wet grip improvement. 

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