Shepster48

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    Paul
  • Ford Model
    Ford fiesta st-line 140
  • Ford Year
    2016
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    Yorkshire

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  1. Shepster48

    new st-line, worried about security.

    Would they still need to smash the window? He was saying its the newest method that hes just been made aware of.
  2. Shepster48

    new st-line, worried about security.

    Thank you. I wondered if he was just using scare tactics. I think an obd disabling switch is my best route. I think having a full clifford 650 is a little expensive for a lease car.
  3. Shepster48

    new st-line, worried about security.

    Forgot to mention. The alarm guy said the newest form of fiesta car theft was by them accessing the brains of the car by the wing mirror wiring!!! Anyone else heard of this?
  4. Shepster48

    new st-line, worried about security.

    This seems like an idea if you dont want to do it yourself. If you put the disable switch in the middle of the car so they have no option but to set off the perimeter alarm. Cheaper than a clifford but they can still nick it by other means i guess. http://www.rates.co.uk/ford/vehicle-servicing/special-offers/vehicle-servicing-obd.aspx
  5. Shepster48

    new st-line, worried about security.

    Hi I get my leased fiesta st-line on Thursday. has anyone managed to move their obd from the mk8 fiesta yet? No-one on line seems to have done it or posted if it’s possible. can anyone with a mk8 fiesta confirm if the obd cuts out for 10 minutes when the alarm is activated? Someone earlier in the thread posted the statement but I have yet to see anyone confirm it’s true. A Ford spokesmen reckons it does but I’ve been speaking to a guy who fits Clifford alarms and he states it doesn’t. But surely the ford spokesman can’t just go around stating lies. So for anyone who doesn’t want to spend hundreds on an aftermarket alarm I think the main thing would be to ensure the thieves can’t just stick one hand into car and access the port. Having to use both hands will mean enough of the body is in the car to trigger the perimeter alarm. I thought about jamming a piece of plastic in the obd port centre line so the thieves can’t put a connector it. The plastic will be removable but only with more time and being able to get to it with 2 hands and tweezers. The thieves won’t have that amount time if the alarm is going off. I guess the other option is to point some kind of motion sensor at the dead zone near the wing mirror. I’ve seen a very cheap sensor that alerts the owner while he’s in the house as the receiver is a plug-in. It’s usually for driveways but if it alerts me of someone in the car me and my bad can get them. Im considering the Clifford alarm but it is quite pricey, and I have to have it taken out at the end of the lease and put into the next car. But if I can’t get a cheap fix to the obd problem then an aftermarket alarm will be purchased.
  6. Shepster48

    new st-line, worried about security.

    I’ve decided I’m not messing about with all this crap. I’ve sent the disklok back. Will keep the obd stickers as they were a quid. I’m having a Clifford alarm fitted. None of this obd bullsh*t. Separate immobiliser, proximity alarm, hijack mode, sorted. 3 years of peace. If they nick it with all that on it, they can keep the blooming thing. That’s what insurance is for. Be careful out there. peace out.
  7. Shepster48

    new st-line, worried about security.

    . Its eu legislation apparently. However, My friend who has a scirocco said his ignition has to be on before the obd can be used. Im unsure of how new his car is, so maybe eu law has changed since then. So if ford had done the same where the key had to be in the car before the obd was usable this would have saved many countless thefts. No usable obd, no cloning the key. All ford owners would have to do is ensure it was in a faraday pouch to stop the relay hack. Im assuming it must be eu law for it to be continually live or Ford are idiots. This will hurt ford in the long run. Mk9's will have to be more secure than this.
  8. Shepster48

    new st-line, worried about security.

    I went to my ford dealer and asked about the perimeter alarm inside the st line. He tested the st line while I was there. He left the windows open and locked the car invoking the perimeter alarm. I tested if I could put my hand in and get to the the obd port. I did it very easily without setting the alarm off. Infact I tested to see how much of my body could get in before the alarm went off and I could get both hands down in the obd port area. I have to say I was not impressed with the sensors at all. The salesman reckons that smashing the window would set the alarm off but I’m not too sure. The video’s I’ve seen on YouTube, smashing the window didn’t seem to set any alarm off. The window cracked but a small hole was made near the wing mirrors. I don’t understand why ford didn’t move the port to the other side of the steering wheel. It would still be accessible and keeping with eu regulations. Or made it so the ignition needed to be on before the port came live. so the other option would be to move the obd. But from what I’ve seen the port is now attached to a massive chunk of plastic which is then bolted in place at the bottom of the dashboard. This chunk of plastic containing the port is also wired to another wiring loom and it can all be unplugged. So the whole obd port can be unattached but I’m not sure what removing that will do to the rest of the car as there is more than just the obd port in that part. Unfortunately the wire to the wiring loom looks very short so no chance of moving it inside the dashboard I don’t think. I’ve seen a video where a piece of angled metal is bolted to the front of the obd, thus stopping them getting to the port but I think they would just rag the whole lot off as it’s only held on with two thin bolts so the thief would just grab the lot and yank it. So I don’t think there’s a cheap fix for this. If we could get hold of an extender for that wiring loom that the port goes to, that may work. We could move the obd port anywhere we choose then. the other option is getting the port immobilised. I did find a place online who did this but it cost £150. I may do this. I would rather pay £150 than lose the car.
  9. Shepster48

    new st-line, worried about security.

    That actually looks like something I may have to use. Thanks. I guess It’s quite expensive for what it is but cheaper than losing £16k. I just want the obd to be safe or out of the way enough so the thieves have to set the perimeter alarm off inside to get to the obd. I can be down stairs in 30 seconds and the car is only ever on my drive or work and as my work is a fortress I only really need to worry about when on my drive. With the disklok fitted 30 seconds is plenty to be out with my bat. ive sent for the disklok and alert stickers, I’m going to remove the obd fuse but apparently I’ve heard they use self powered gadgets now so pulling the fuse won’t help. Has anyone with a mk8 managed to extend their obdurate a safer place. There must be a way.
  10. Shepster48

    new st-line, worried about security.

    Just been to have a look at the obd on the fiesta at my local ford garage. The obd port can now actually be seen (it not behind a panel) and it looks like It’s attached to a large lump of plastic with no spare wire to relocate. I don’t think there is anyway the obd can now be moved. As it’s now part of a large chunk of plastic I’ve no idea how you could even strap it back anywhere. at least with my current st line it could be moved behind the dash. What are ford thinking. So plan b. What aftermarket alarms will I be allowed to have in a lease car?
  11. Shepster48

    new st-line, worried about security.

    Is there something different about the mk8 obd? All dummy obd’s on eBay state to be mk7 up to 2017. mine is leased so I would assume I can’t go adding alarms where ever I want. Hopefully obd relocation and obd fuse removal, plus the physical deterrent of disklok and a sticker stating obd has been disabled will mean they move on to the next. Then if the worst happens car insurance and gap insurance will not leave me out of pocket. Does anyone know if ford fit any kind of obd protector?
  12. Shepster48

    new st-line, worried about security.

    Are st-lines being stolen or is it just ST’s that seem to be targeted? I guess it’s still a £16k car at the end of the day. Can someone clarify that removing the fuse for the obd doesn’t affect anything else on the car for day to day running? i’m undecided if to fit a dummy obd port or just completely relocate it. Won’t a dummy lead them straight to the actual port as it’s attached to the other end? Can anyone clarify if the new fiesta’s with perimeter alarm still has a dead zone near the drivers mirror. Does anyone who is leasing a car know what alarms are allowed to be fittedif it’s owned by ford leasing? i would still love to know why the ford spokesman said there’s a 10 minute lockout of the obd port if the alarm goes off. The amount of stolen fiesta’s seems to point to the fact that there isn’t or else they are getting to the oboe port without setting the premier alarm off, which makes that alarm useless. Surely a thatcham 1 system would be more secure. Other than the article in the express I cannot find anywhere else that mentions it.
  13. Shepster48

    new st-line, worried about security.

    It will be on my drive but there are no gates hence why i was a little apprehensive about security. The car is right underneath my lounge and bedroom so i will definitely hear the alarm going off. Im pretty sure they will have to set the alarm off to access the obd once its moved from its original place and hidden behind the dashboard. Deadzone or not. Ive ordered a small disklock as ive read thats the size needed. Hopefully those measures will deter a thief and they'll move on.
  14. Shepster48

    new st-line, worried about security.

    Thanks Guys. Ive taken the plunge and leased the st line. Im going to get the gap insurance for piece of mind, thanks for the link. As its keyless start only im not too worried about them getting a signal from my keys as someone stated above it has a very tiny signal strength. I keep them on my bedside table so they wont be able to get a signal or get to them. I also have two dogs who hear everything. Ive sent for a disklock. So will use that at night. My nephew owns a garage so im going to have him move the obd2 to somewhere they cant reach. As its a lease car theres only so much i can do with that. Ive also sent for 2 stickers stating the obd2 has been disabled and a tracker has been installed. Can anyone with a new fiesta confirm if the obd2 is disabled for 10 minutes if the alarm goes off? If i move the obd2 where they cant reach by leaning into the car without setting off the alarm i should be ok.
  15. Hi first post, had fords all my life, started with a cortina, many escorts (my mk3 Ghia was my fave) an Orion and even an old mk 2 fiesta in my time. i currently lease a 66 mk7 st-line 140. I love the car but it’s now coming to the end of its lease so it’s time to get another. Ive got my eyes on a new mk8 140 st-line. Im liking the new interior, the front looks great, the back, hmmm think I prefer the mk 7 but that’s just me. Anyhow, while doing my homework on the new st-line I’ve picked up on reports that the security is compromised due to the completely lazy inclusion of a start button. Now I’ve been driving for 30 years and the key has done me fine. I can’t get my head around the fact they have gone for a starter button as standard instead of an optional extra. (while getting rid of the centre console that I love to rest my arm on). The crazy thing is we now have to spend twenty times longer than we save (by not putting the key in the barrel) by having to install/remove an aftermarket security device each time. ( as well as the extra expense of having to buy this extra security (I’m leaning to a disklock) So to satisfy the lazy 1% of the buying market, Ford have put each car with a start button at risk of theft. So I’m looking for advice regarding security. I’m reading reports that if the alarm goes off then the obd2 is disabled for 10 minutes. Can anyone comment if this is true? I’m dubious as these cars are being stolen in seconds. Now as mine will be keyless start not entry they will need to smash the window if they don’t have my key. (I Sleep with my keys on my bedside table, and I intend to keep it in a faraday wallet. I’m guessing if the car senses when the key is in the car to start it must be giving out even a small close signal) Can anyone comment if the perimeter alarm will definitely pick up on a window smash and if the mk8 has a dead spot that the perimeter alarm doesn’t pick up on like before. My thinking for security is:- have a dummy obd2 fitted (with a siren) or have the obd2 moved. Im sure they will have to set the perimeter alarm off to get to find the new position of the obd2. I will have a large sticker stating obd2 is disabled and stating a tracker is also fitted. Finally I will also get a disklock that should also give a physical deterrant. At work, my car is safe as Houses. We have 24 hour security stopping anyone getting into the works and it’s parked a mile inside the works, it’s like a fortress as we have expensive items on site. It’s that safe I always leave my car there when I go on holiday. On a normal night the car is parked on my drive near the lounge and under our bedroom window. I don’t have a garage but I will hear if the alarm goes off and me and my bat can be downstairs in 20 seconds. am I being too paranoid? I know an st-line is not an st but if they are easy to nick it’s still a 16K car. Are Most of the fiesta’s being stolen the ones with keyless entry (not start) and using an amplifier and receiver. The videos I’ve seen seem to be mk 7 rather than mk 8, but as more fiestas are getting stolen now due to the obd2 start button flaw, I’m assuming it’s actually more mk8’s being stolen. It’s actually putting me off leasing the new fiesta. I really think Ford dropped a b*ll*ck here especially on the st-line having it as standard. I would have much preferred having an extra such as folding mirrors, sat nav or a blooming centre console instead. I have to decide this week what I want to lease. i may even just purchase a car without a start button instead. I may even go German for the first time ever (as long as it doesn’t come with a stupid start button)