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Sutton Stourmead

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    Mondeo Zetec 1.6 TDCI Econetic
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  1. 1.6 Tdci Econetic - Dissapointing Mpg's

    They are/were Primacy HP's I took the opportunity to replace both fronts with Dunlop Blue Sports because i was so fed up ... the Dunlops are a really good match for this car, and got a great deal with ASDA tyres online... my previous octavia I always had Conti Premium Contact 2 so could easily tell the michelins were behind other tyres on the market for grip
  2. 1.6 Tdci Econetic - Dissapointing Mpg's

    You are more than welcome... you dont really know a car after you've lived with it, and I feel like i know this car pretty well now. +ve's - and these are show winners... Stick it on the motorway, engage cruise, and it's miles and miles of effortless, economical, quiet driving in a pleasant and comfortable cabin, and the stereo is pretty decent too... take it to the airport and you can fit MASSES of luggage (6 cases of various sizes, no problems - although i still think they could have done the wheel arches a little less intrusively) fit 5 adults with consummate ease... i'm 6' 2" and the passenger behind me still has luxurious amounts of legroom. LOVE the quick-clear windscreen the ride, even on the sports pack, is pretty nice, wiith a true solid feeling - lovely on the motorway. feels very safe, plus plastic bodywork just wobbles back into shape to keep potential repair costs down - just kick the rear bumper to see what i mean. However, take it round town though and you get top know it's quirks straight away.. -ve's - these are not deal breakers on their own, but combine to make you think twice about this exact version it's WIDE (watch that passenger mirror - i'm on my 3rd now!) it's got a MASSIVE turning circle it gets your shoes wet when you open the boot it scrapes over all the speedbumps at +10mph rear bench maybe could be slightly wider for the moddle seat - this comes into play when putting three kids with car seats in the back.... ie you cant unless you have a bubble-bum or other 1/2 size seat for the middle seat child. and finally a couple of more jokey points, the phone keypad - useless due to the volume knob in the middle, but the bluetooth and steering controls are pretty good. the voice recognition - hours of fun listening to it say 'not possible' i think the whole layout of the driver control system needs a revamp though... for instance eco 'mode' , well its not really a mode per se, its just some flower petals telling you if you're driving too fast, and its accessed through the 'settings' folder... would be nice if the screen just reverted to this after say 30 seconds. All of the below points apply to when you want to partake in some spirited driving ... the standard 'eco' michelins have little grip 6th gear 50-70 is achingly slow turbo lag, which opens the door on a couple of other quirks... you end up tweaking your style and keeping the engine in its high rev power band - and then it becomes a wheel spin monster as the tyres lose the battle to drag its bulk off the line. remember this is the UK and roads are usually damp too. it maybe worth enquiring for a different model with wider tyres.. did i mention how wide it is? watch those width restrictions / car park entrances Would i buy one again? ouch - pro and con considered, on size for when its just me, yes on size when i'm out with the family, would SERIOUSLY have to look into a full size 7 seater as a valid alternative (not talking about a 7 seats but no boot car) on quality, probably, depends, other brands have similar or better build quality and finishing, and better kudos with the neighbours. on drive quality, yes on servicing costs, yes on driving 'hassle factor' when in town , no - its just not manouvreable enough on economy - no, not this model.. i'd hire any car for a weekend and see how it copes with me. further test drives and research needed so for me, when it comes up for lease renewal/termination/purchase some time in 2015, i think I'll be giving this one back to ford and considering my options. Final point - this car is no longer on sale, you have to get the 1.6tdci econetic Zetec Business edition now which comes with Satellite Nav and a slightly nicer interior, so thats a few more + points to the argument. Happy driving
  3. 1.6 Tdci Econetic - Dissapointing Mpg's

    Hi Team! 17000+ miles later and the 1.6 TDCi econetic is returning appx 50 mpg in mixed driving (Fast A road / rush hour M Way / in-town stop start) Drove up to birmingham and back and for that trip it got closer to 60 on the avg readings. So in fairness to it, i do have the a/c on at least 66% of the time, but then i did that when i had the old 1.9 octavia as well... In all, i'm not that impressed with this performance - i think the 1.6 doesnt have the oomph for such a fine handling and also heavy car so you always push the engine harder. and this eats the mpgs. overall, definately wish we had gone for one with the standard suspension and 2.0 engine - the Zetec econetic is stuck behind turbo lag at every junction, has no guts up hills, and worst of all came with sports as standard to lower ride height and improve mpgs. this means the tray and front grill spray deflectors (behind the nose, before the wheels) clip pretty much every speed hump i've ever driven over. The sports suspension feels too soft to support such a low ride height and keep the car off the deck. Great family car, masses of space, decent quality (if not quite VW levels) , but just the wrong engine and suspension package. Final word? Annoyed it gets my shoes wet when i open the boot after its been raining - no drainage channels!
  4. Hi Our new '62 Mondeo 1.6TDCi Zetec is now 3 months old and is struggling on the MPG front. 3813 miles covered, and 481 litres of diesel consumed maths below... cheapest diesel locally is £1.429 per litre as of 25th Feb total miles 3813 total litres 481 weeks 12 miles per lite 7.927235 litres per mile 0.126147 miles per £1 5.5474 £ per mile 0.180265 weekly miles 317.75 weekly £ 57.27908 weekly litres 40.08333 in old english, 36 miles per gallon (thats 12.76km per litre) I know it's winter but I've not been tempted to activate the A/C, so it's just the heater set at about 20 and lights in the evening... my commute is Enfield to Thurrock, so is a 20 mile run over the eastern section of the A406 (50mph) and a little bit of 70mph A13 my other 117 miles a week are just pootling around enfield and harringey in the usual stop start traffic. Evren so - what gives? this is a 60+mpg engine, right? I'd have thought that i'd be on around 45mpg's, and i know it's a new engine etc, but 36mpg? this is done with real maths and volumes at the pump, so i'm not relying on the trip computer here. Could there be something wrong? The engine pulls clean and smooth, the tyres are at the right pressure, i am not carrying a ton of concrete in the boot.... please - any suggestions / comments would be welcome!
  5. Insurance Claim

    I had this same conversation in June with my insurer. It boils down to regulation of costs - If YOUR insurer repairs your car , they know the costs as per their network partners, and can budget nicely. Take this a step further, if YOUR insurer repairs THEIR car as well, your insurer then gets to budget their repair costs as well. They will then ADD A REPAIR MARK UP and thats what they invoice to the other insurance company. Now, look at this the other way around - Their company will offer to repair your car as well because it will be cheaper than them getting stung for your own insurance company repair bill plus a mark up. Or, to put it another way, they can make a margin by billing the higher rate to your insurer instead of your insurer billing them (and your company making the margin)... In fact my insurer virtually told me off over the phone for NOT telling the 3rd party in my bump to contact them instead of their own insurer. So, regardless of fault, the insurer wants to do the repairs and bill to someone else. Sounds good for them, but is it good for you? ummm - not really - I dont see they'd be inclined to pass that saving / margin onto you once it comes to renewal time ;)
  6. What Tyres Should I Buy?

    I always LOVED my Conti Premium contact 2's, seemed outrageously sticky in the dry, very confident in the wet, but the tread did seem to wear out faster than other brands. Also, totally rubbish for the 6 days of snow we seem to get in the spring...
  7. Hey everyone! Took delivery of a new Mondeo right at the end of November and the last month has been a joy, and although I can be objective and admit there's a few quirks and a couple of niggles, I am loving this car, so thiught I'd share on the forum! It's a 1.6TDCi Zetec econetic so comes with the following which didnt surprise me... Dual zone a/c (My wife L O V E S this) Bluetooth phone over the radio Nice 16" Alloys Sports Suspension Midnight Sky paint (aka grey to purply to blacky depends on cloud cover and what time of day :) ) Hatchback with Boot spoiler And these extras which DID surprise me Front LED running lights ... NOT the black plastic strips telling me I didnt buy/couldnt afford a titanium. Ford Converse + trip computer (how did that upgrade slip through QC un-noticed?) Voice recognition dialling (gimmicky, prefer to use the 'last out' function on the Converse +) First impressions? It looks like an undercover motorway cop-car! NICE!! I came to this car straight off the back of a 12 year old 1.9 TDi Octavia which was solid and the engine happy to do anything I told it to.. Slow but fair, if you know what i mean... I called it the tank for obvious reasons. In comparison the Mondeo feeels a little uptight (proobably because it's still new), less tanky but way more sophisticated in both manner and appearance.. It has 6 gears for a good reason - the engine doesnt have the strength / tourque spread to pull it out of roundabouts in a higher gear, or even up a hill at 50mph in 6th. Turbo lag is more like Turbo aint gonna happen unless you drop down. But in the right gear and this car actually feels nippy about town - I'm in London so drag racing off the lights is pointless , for instance this new years day I drove from Enfield to Bethnal Green and an AMG C350 CDI was doing it's rocket ship thing - we got into the city at the same time - Traffic lights are the greatest of equalisers! The 6th gear is perfect for anything 50mph cruise though, so the North Circular and M25 offer me some very relaxed driving - the car just gets on with it quietly and fuss free. The driving postion for me at 6'2" is interesting, i like to have the chair set back but a bit high, so i get good thigh support - I've noticed that the door arch and roof arent 'that' far away from my forehead, but thats just because I sit funny lol. The Steering is really nice - perfect ford feedback. The ride quality? Woah - now this took me back - it's so FIRM. In a not 100% good way. this car sticks to the road, yes, and provides great feedback, but the sports suspension (to reduce the cars overall height and drag) seems to make the ride a little harsh and overly bobbly over our rubbish London potholes.. And speed bumps are really transmitted into the cabin, especially for the rear passengers... Wham up and down - at anything above about 8mph...I was hoping for something a little more compliant but it's more an observation than a real gripe. My wife also comments on the motorway that it really picks up the road seams and small imperfections. It is really far away from a standard Mondeo suspension. It's out of character with the rest of the car which is all about slow smooth driving. Saying that, it feels like ford's design team have created a really great town based sporty feeling large car, and I enjoy driving it as well as just going from a to b, if you know what i mean ;) . on the motorway? it's all sit back and relax - the cruise control doesnt see much action but the speed limiter is always finding itself being switched on (rush hour driving!) - I also like how a full depression of the gas overrides it temporarily, rather than faff about with buttons in an urgent overtake situation. It's eco mode petals have helped me drive more smooothly and safely, and the engine quirks I guess are the stick to the ecomode display carrot... woe betide me if I dont get the right gear! So - modified my driving style, having to think ahead even more to anticipate what the car will be doing in 100 meters time (accellerating, cruising or braking). Low and behold i now get five petals on the anticipation flower , it's true that Ford Eco Mode + this engine = great way to improve driving style! it is WIDE - it needs a 5 point turn almost every time in my narrow streeted neighbourhood, but this translates into OODLES of space inside - two baby seats plus an adult comfortable in the back driving up and down from Birmingham - it's got impeccable taste with the interior decor. the FIRST thing i noticed about it on the first night we had it, was HOW BRIGHT the LEDs light up the interior - it's really space age with the running lights and the bright interior glow, with it's stealth mode paint moodily reflecting the orange streetlamp glow! lovely!! The way the boot properly pops up when you double hit the release key on the fob is great too - perfect when struggling with bags of shopping - mostly use the spoiler as a huge grab bar to open the boot up! aside from the DREADFUL position of the driver door handle right cross the electric window controls, everything inside seems perfectly laid out. Sorry Ford, that handle is stupid design. So if my biggest winges are the suspension and the handle, then it cant be all bad! MPG's so far (1st month) comes to 40mpg over a mixed 1500 miles, mostly with lights , heaters and AC switched on using Shell Vpower Diesel - I dont want to think how supermarket cetane will kill the power delivery on this baby engine. I am hoping the mpg's will improve as we head into spring with drier weather and lighter evenings, and as the engine runs in. I'm really happy to join the forum - so see you around - any questions about my motor, please ask away! :)
  8. Welcome to the Ford forums Sutton Stourmead :)

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      Sutton Stourmead

      pleased to be here!