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Posted 14 February 2010 - 10:28 AM

but anyway my mate has erased the error codes with a obd2 and its come out of limp mode

that is what the trader will have done, he will have got that car dirt cheap and then went on to screw you deliberately. And you want to let him get away with !Removed! you. It's simple, just threaten him with Trading standards, and the Small Claims Court, if he does not pay for putting it right at a Ford dealer garage. You have nothing to loose and everything to gain, don't be frightened of doing or threatening to do it. He sold you that car knowing it had a fault on it reducing it to a "not fit for purpose" sale.

As to the rest I gotto dash, catch you later.

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 04:13 PM

that is what the trader will have done, he will have got that car dirt cheap and then went on to screw you deliberately. And you want to let him get away with !Removed! you. It's simple, just threaten him with Trading standards, and the Small Claims Court, if he does not pay for putting it right at a Ford dealer garage. You have nothing to loose and everything to gain, don't be frightened of doing or threatening to do it. He sold you that car knowing it had a fault on it reducing it to a "not fit for purpose" sale.

As to the rest I gotto dash, catch you later.



hesa trader mate so you have the legal right dont be worried about it take it back to him and tell him the problem if you spemnt more than 2 grand youre covered by sale of goods act 1979 ammended this is the same in scotland and england so take it back tell him the problem and if you dont get anywhere demand the cash back simply tell him that those codes must have been present and cleared before you bought the car i think they will come back to be honest with you you dont have to go to trading standards the therat that you will go is usually enough to make them come to an agreement

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 06:53 PM

hesa trader mate so you have the legal right dont be worried about it take it back to him and tell him the problem if you spemnt more than 2 grand youre covered by sale of goods act 1979 ammended this is the same in scotland and england so take it back tell him the problem and if you dont get anywhere demand the cash back simply tell him that those codes must have been present and cleared before you bought the car i think they will come back to be honest with you you dont have to go to trading standards the therat that you will go is usually enough to make them come to an agreement



Yes you only need to use the threat of reporting him to Trading Standards if he tries to "stone wall" you. I find [and this in regards to any purchased product] once they the seller realise that you know your consumer rights, they play ball, as they have not got a leg to stand on.

Now going back to the actual car, if it has indeed a fullservice ford history, it should have had its DPF renewed at the 75k service. If it has not had a 75k service then it does not have a full service history. But lets assume it has, and in that case lets assume it has not had the latest 112.5k service done, which would have included the additive replenishment. If this has not been done then I suspect that is the problem. The DPF has got blocked and needs a dealer administered "forced regeneration" to see if they can clear the filter. If they manage that then they have then to do the additive job.So still not a cheap not cheap job, possibly £250 /£300. But remember a few years down the line you will be faced with another £900for the DPF replacement. To know exactly when this is due you need to look at the service record, and it will be the sixth year on from the date of the 75k service date [again assuming the DPF was renewed at that service] or at 150k mileage which ever comes first. Worst case is the DPF was not renewed when it should have been, or they cannot regenerate the filter, then your looking at circa £900 [that was a quote a guy got from a Ford dealer to renew the DPF on his Volvo, Volvo wanted £1000]

You asked how is "Forced Regeneration" done? To be honest I do not know for sure, but I would suspect the the dealer accesses the engine management system and sets it on a Forced Regeneration program. So guy said when he took his it it was sat there in the dealers yard with its engine running for about an hour and a half, and paid £150 for the pleasure.

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 08:30 PM

Yes you only need to use the threat of reporting him to Trading Standards if he tries to "stone wall" you. I find [and this in regards to any purchased product] once they the seller realise that you know your consumer rights, they play ball, as they have not got a leg to stand on.

Now going back to the actual car, if it has indeed a fullservice ford history, it should have had its DPF renewed at the 75k service. If it has not had a 75k service then it does not have a full service history. But lets assume it has, and in that case lets assume it has not had the latest 112.5k service done, which would have included the additive replenishment. If this has not been done then I suspect that is the problem. The DPF has got blocked and needs a dealer administered "forced regeneration" to see if they can clear the filter. If they manage that then they have then to do the additive job.So still not a cheap not cheap job, possibly £250 /£300. But remember a few years down the line you will be faced with another £900for the DPF replacement. To know exactly when this is due you need to look at the service record, and it will be the sixth year on from the date of the 75k service date [again assuming the DPF was renewed at that service] or at 150k mileage which ever comes first. Worst case is the DPF was not renewed when it should have been, or they cannot regenerate the filter, then your looking at circa £900 [that was a quote a guy got from a Ford dealer to renew the DPF on his Volvo, Volvo wanted £1000]

You asked how is "Forced Regeneration" done? To be honest I do not know for sure, but I would suspect the the dealer accesses the engine management system and sets it on a Forced Regeneration program. So guy said when he took his it it was sat there in the dealers yard with its engine running for about an hour and a half, and paid £150 for the pleasure.



The DPF function is to collect soot particles emitted in the exhaust gases. At a predetermined level the DPF supposedly ‘cleans’ itself by a DPF regeneration, a process that increases the temperature with the DPF and burns off the soot particles.

In theory the vehicle should be able to carry out its regeneration process un-aided under normal driving conditions. However in practice the majority of owners find this isn’t the case and will be told by their main dealer that their driving style is not sufficient for the process to function and that the car needs to then be driven a certain way to clear the DPF. VW group documentation says that ‘short’ or ‘stop/start’ journeys aren’t sufficient and the regeneration process may not complete. We know of customers that have been advised by the VW Group that they do ‘too many motorway miles’ for the regeneration to function correctly. VW Group documentation states:

‘Driving conditions in inner-city and any UK Island do not provide optimum conditions for the regeneration procedure’

‘Consider your driving style and length of journey to allow for the driving conditions required for DPF regeneration’ refer to owners handbook.

In a lot of scenarios the regeneration procedure doesn’t complete and allows the DPF to further block and require forced regeneration or DPF failure and replacement; something that’s not usually covered under warranty.

Performance software and DPF

Problems occur when the cars run performance software for the same reasons they occur in standard vehicles, however depending on the driving style these problems can be accentuated when using performance software.
The DPF can block or get too hot causing hesitation and poor fuel economy. Although Revo haven’t had any dealers or customers experience it, there have been reports in the press of dry DPF systems actually catching fire. Issues experienced are typically erratic power delivery and fluctuating fuel economy

as said it sounds like either the service history is false a call to the garage that did it will find that out or the service was not done fully either way either the garage you bought it from has to answer to it or the dealer dont just pay the cash and be done with it call ford and get an answer as to why it wasnt done they may do it for free or a heavily reduced price if not take it back to the garage if the history is false take it back to the garage either it gets fully serviced or you get youre cash back and request proof of the service reciepts empty boxes etc its up to us to stand up to them so they dont rip people off or take the mick ive had an issue with getting a few rust patches dealt with garage used a cheap painter and the paint fell off yes fell off he got a second guy to do it and the guy cocked it up so i took the car back and told him either a body shop of my choosing sorts it or give me my money back i had called trading standards and new where i stood he gave in the cars now done and a great job and the dealer is 400 quid lighter in the pocket



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Posted 14 February 2010 - 10:09 PM

as said it sounds like either the service history is false a call to the garage that did it will find that out or the service was not done fully either way either the garage you bought it from has to answer to it or the dealer dont just pay the cash and be done with it call ford and get an answer as to why it wasnt done they may do it for free or a heavily reduced price if not take it back to the garage if the history is false take it back to the garage either it gets fully serviced or you get youre cash back and request proof of the service reciepts empty boxes etc its up to us to stand up to them so they dont rip people off or take the mick ive had an issue with getting a few rust patches dealt with garage used a cheap painter and the paint fell off yes fell off he got a second guy to do it and the guy cocked it up so i took the car back and told him either a body shop of my choosing sorts it or give me my money back i had called trading standards and new where i stood he gave in the cars now done and a great job and the dealer is 400 quid lighter in the pocket


Correct.

artscot79 if you read sid77's last post, the deal was done at a private address, one assumes he lures people in as appearing to be a private seller. But from there on in he admits he took the car in as a PX for another he sold, so he's a trader, albeit working from home, possibly as a second income. But nonetheless a trader in motor vehicles he indeed is. You could say if Trading Standards hear of it he would be "banged to rights" then there's the tax man. I could make this guy squeal like a pig, putty in my hands so to speak. So as I see it if sid77 understands the liabilities of having a DPF motor and he does little mileage to warrant the service costs of having a DPF motor. He could just demand his money back as the vehicle was "not fit for purpose" not only that it was knowingly sold in that condition.


Go on sid77, you can sort this no problem, as keeping you sweet is his least pain and hassle free option, trust me you can do it. He knows its either that or all the pain from Trading Standards and the Tax man, and then still having to settle in your favour, it's a no brainer sid.

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 10:35 PM

Correct.

artscot79 if you read sid77's last post, the deal was done at a private address, one assumes he lures people in as appearing to be a private seller. But from there on in he admits he took the car in as a PX for another he sold, so he's a trader, albeit working from home, possibly as a second income. But nonetheless a trader in motor vehicles he indeed is. You could say if Trading Standards hear of it he would be "banged to rights" then there's the tax man. I could make this guy squeal like a pig, putty in my hands so to speak. So as I see it if sid77 understands the liabilities of having a DPF motor and he does little mileage to warrant the service costs of having a DPF motor. He could just demand his money back as the vehicle was "not fit for purpose" not only that it was knowingly sold in that condition.


Go on sid77, you can sort this no problem, as keeping you sweet is his least pain and hassle free option, trust me you can do it. He knows its either that or all the pain from Trading Standards and the Tax man, and then still having to settle in your favour, it's a no brainer sid.


afetr checking if the car was sold privately but took youre old car as px then he by law has declared himself to be a dealer and the law states you are fully covered therefore you can return with the car and demamd youre old car back and the cash if he has sold the old car then you can demand the full cash value including the trade ion value therefore trading standards would take the case up on youre behalf if you no longer want the car take it back if he gets funny tell him you have spoken to trading standards and by taking youre old car as px he is legaly regarded as an independant trader and therefore sale of goods act 1979 ammended states he either must repair the car as it was sold with no faults which was not the case and it can be proved the fault wast there when you purchased the car if he refuses any of the above then tell him that trading standards will be taking the case on on youre behalf and if hes nort registered as an independant trader then you will see him in court also worth saying that the taxman will be wanting to see him too

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Posted 14 February 2010 - 11:16 PM

afetr checking if the car was sold privately but took youre old car as px then he by law has declared himself to be a dealer and the law states you are fully covered therefore you can return with the car and demamd youre old car back and the cash if he has sold the old car then you can demand the full cash value including the trade ion value therefore trading standards would take the case up on youre behalf if you no longer want the car take it back if he gets funny tell him you have spoken to trading standards and by taking youre old car as px he is legaly regarded as an independant trader and therefore sale of goods act 1979 ammended states he either must repair the car as it was sold with no faults which was not the case and it can be proved the fault wast there when you purchased the car if he refuses any of the above then tell him that trading standards will be taking the case on on youre behalf and if hes nort registered as an independant trader then you will see him in court also worth saying that the taxman will be wanting to see him too


Time you went to bed mate, sid77 did not say the guy took his [sid's] old car in PX.

"well that guy i bought this car off was definately a trader as he mention the log book is registered in some other address and hes selling this as it was taken in p/x"

I think we have established the seller is a trader.

So I'm hitting the sack, catch ya later.

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 12:01 PM

Time you went to bed mate, sid77 did not say the guy took his [sid's] old car in PX.

"well that guy i bought this car off was definately a trader as he mention the log book is registered in some other address and hes selling this as it was taken in p/x"

I think we have established the seller is a trader.

So I'm hitting the sack, catch ya later.



had a bad flu bug yesterday so if i isread then i apologise my head was up my axxe

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 08:57 PM

had a bad flu bug yesterday so if i isread then i apologise my head was up my axxe


No worries, everybody seems to be going down with something.I started with a light head and feeling weary, sneezing , soar throat, then for the last ten days or so left me with a barking chest cough I cannot seem to shift. But we will survive I hope :unsure:

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Posted 15 February 2010 - 10:33 PM

No worries, everybody seems to be going down with something.I started with a light head and feeling weary, sneezing , soar throat, then for the last ten days or so left me with a barking chest cough I cannot seem to shift. But we will survive I hope Posted Image



tell me about it ive got a 6yr old at primary school that picks up every bug going and a 15mnth old so between the 2 thay get everything

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