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#16 shaz4473

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 09:02 PM

Muskydo - I am glad it's not just me then!!!

I think because I am being told that it will cost so much by Ford that I am desperate to find out if I can do anything myself. I have a 2005 Audi TT and recently managed to unprogramme both my keys in error when I had one in the ignition and used the other one to lock the car manually leaving it running to clear the windscreen but then unlocked it with the blip, panicked and did something else I should not have - anyway I then could not lock/unlock car with the remote and the alarm kept going off every time I went into the car.
I asked at a local garage who could not help and said I would have to book my car in at the Audi garage to get the keys programmed. Online I managed to get the relevant advice and BINGO I was back up and running saving myself the sum of money Audi would have taken from me! With labour rates as they are I am sure I saved 50-100.

Lez - thanks for the part numbers - I will call my local Ford parts and get prices.
Are you able to help regarding the conflicting information regarding programming - do you definitely need two keys before being able to programme another or can it be done only having one remote key in my possession?

If anyone else can advice your help is much appreciated

I have been onto the rated people website to try and source an autolocksmith in my area, Aberdeen, Scotland but alas so far no replies.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 06:49 PM

Hi shaz,no it can't be just us, this is a confusing issue made worse no doubt by the fact it is probably such a simple procedure to perform if you know what your doing,I'm still waiting for the answer as to how many keys are originally needed to be able to reprogram extra keys.The difference in price from one Timsons to another is also confusing me. I'll keep watching this thread hopefully someone out there will come up with an IDIOTS (Me) guide to key programing. Strangely enough that's what I do for a living, writing SOP's (Standard Operating Procedures)on how to operate and repair some very complicated equipment, but that's easy if you know your subject.
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 08:39 PM

Muskydo - I am glad it's not just me then!!!

Lez - thanks for the part numbers - I will call my local Ford parts and get prices.
Are you able to help regarding the conflicting information regarding programming - do you definitely need two keys before being able to programme another or can it be done only having one remote key in my possession?


Hi! One remote key must be enough to do it! i did my with one! you can get the blade cuted HERE, the remote part i guess cheaper on ebay. you can use second hand not just new
the programming easy will take you max 10 minutes!

Radio Frequency Programming Instructions:

-Insert the ignition key and turn from position II (Ignition) to position 0 (All off) and back four times within three seconds.
-Remove the ignition key. The locking control system is now in "learn mode" for the next 20 seconds and the red warning system LED (By the clock) stays on continuously to indicate this.
-During the 20 seconds press one of the transmitter buttons. The remotes signal and code number is learned by the locking module and is indicated by flashing the warning system LED.
-Wait until learn mode times out (20 seconds) or switch the ignition back to ON.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 10:41 PM

Thanks for that - if these instructions above are the ones you used did you also go through the procedure that you've posted earlier in the thread?
Does the radio frequency programming also ensure that the key will programme to the immobiliser?

I will def be back here to update on how I get on!

Firstly though I will be turning the house upside down to try and find the key!!! To make matters worse it also had the house key and a friends house key on the keyring too.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 06:27 AM

Hi! One remote key must be enough to do it! i did my with one! you can get the blade cuted HERE, the remote part i guess cheaper on ebay. you can use second hand not just new
the programming easy will take you max 10 minutes!

Radio Frequency Programming Instructions:

-Insert the ignition key and turn from position II (Ignition) to position 0 (All off) and back four times within three seconds.
-Remove the ignition key. The locking control system is now in "learn mode" for the next 20 seconds and the red warning system LED (By the clock) stays on continuously to indicate this.
-During the 20 seconds press one of the transmitter buttons. The remotes signal and code number is learned by the locking module and is indicated by flashing the warning system LED.
-Wait until learn mode times out (20 seconds) or switch the ignition back to ON.



That will programme the key to operate the central locking but afaik will not set the PATS2 code for the immobiliser.

In my experience you do need 2 keys for immobiliser coding as you need to turn original key 1 to II and back to 0 then original key 2 to II and to 0 then the PATS2 enters learning mode and you then put in the new key and turn to II and back to 0.
You can then continue to programme further keys if held up to a total of 5 extra keys (for fleet users)
To unauthorise spare keys you go through the same routine as for programming (use key 1 and key 2 then allow the programming phase to time out and all other spare keys are removed from the PATS2 memory - this is so any lost / stolen keys can be disabled.
I guarantee that if you programme the key to open the central locking that will work fine but if you put the key in the ignition to try starting the car the PATS will not activate the starter or fuel pump and the immobiliser light will flash rapidly to show that the key has not been recognised.
Fair enough this is from my point of view of a focus owner but the PATS2 modules operate the same way on all Fords and will most likely need the same programming procedure.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 08:35 PM

Thanks Lez, I think I finally understand the coding thing now, as I see it if I only have one key and I want a second to operate everything doors imobiliser etc. then I need to go to Ford and pay up. Am I right?
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 08:54 PM

I'm pretty certain that's the case.
I'd ring an auto locksmith for definitive advice first, they're pretty good.
If you can't get advice or a deal with the locksmith then ford is the other option.
I'd personally cut out the middle man and use the locksmith's service.
They'll provide transponder keys but unlikely to carry button ones.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 04:12 PM

I lost my remote key and the best way to replace was to get an auto locksmith to program a manual key. Cost 55. Then I bought a second hand key from eBay cost 12, also bought new casing and new key blade cost 5. Timpson to cut key blade 5. Then program it yourself as I had two keys at that point.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 01:48 AM

Still far cheaper than ford i'd reckon?

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 04:59 PM

I am trying to get in touch with local autolocksmiths and one has come back to me saying it should be around £75 but they need to see the key. I don't know what they are supplying for that price but once I have been I will report back.
Another local Ford dealer is saying £160 for key and coding - not keen on that price!!

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 05:20 PM

I am trying to get in touch with local autolocksmiths and one has come back to me saying it should be around £75 but they need to see the key. I don't know what they are supplying for that price but once I have been I will report back.

That would most likely be a cut and programmed manual key, they usually only cut and code RCL keys if you supply them.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 09:44 PM

Hi I'm new to the forum just been reading threw, when programming new keys in when you get it in to learn mode it wipes all existing memory so all keys that's used need to be re-programmed again dunno if anyones already mentioned this.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 10:54 PM

Welcome aboard mate and thanks for the info. :)

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 07:54 PM

Hi everyone, I've just had areply from local autolocker, I asked for a key the same as my original that would do everything that my original will do, he has replied with a quote of £145:00 which sounde like it may be my easiest option, will keep in touch.
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 08:09 PM

I have had replies from two locksmiths. One has quoted:
'We can provide you with a working duplicate key that would start your car. This however would be a non remote key. It would also be a clone of your existing key therefore the car would not recognise it as a 2nd key.'

I am confused by 'the car would not recognise it as a 2nd key' - can anyone explain this?

The other locksmith that firstly replied to my email saying if they could do it the cost would be around £75 has now said after I emailed a picture of the key that I would have to go to the dealer for these. There was no offer of doing it if I could supply the remote but I am going to go past at the weekend as so far I have just been in touch by email and perhaps I will get on better speaking to someone face to face!

Yes I am determined to find a reasonably priced solution for this problem!!! :wacko:





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