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#31 Stoney871

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 11:12 PM

I have had replies from two locksmiths. One has quoted:
'We can provide you with a working duplicate key that would start your car. This however would be a non remote key. It would also be a clone of your existing key therefore the car would not recognise it as a 2nd key.'

I am confused by 'the car would not recognise it as a 2nd key' - can anyone explain this?

AFAIK the keys for the car are coded exactly the same but have a difference of serial applied to them so as allow personalisation of settings- my focus can programme keys seperately so that different drivers can set personal settings for steering and warning tones etc.
What the locksmith is basically saying is that the keys will be the same serial and settings so they won't be recognises as two keys to enable programming of further keys yourself.
Personally i think they're talking twaddle so you'd be inclined to go back to them at a later date if you wanted a third key.
Guy that did my car didn't need any keys other than to open the door and programmed the key via the OBD port.
Not cloned but authorised to the car.

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 09:02 PM

Am I just in an area that locksmiths aren't up to date with all the technololgy!!! One has come back to me today saying they don't have the software to programme a remote key

I am waiting to get a price for a non remote and am thinking that as it is just a spare then do we really need another remote for the car??
Usuallly it is just my mum using the one key with the other hanging in a cupboard but then it's handy if I have to take the car and she has her keys with her.

Is there necessity for 2 remote keys???

If there is any practical reason for having two please let me know. What would happen if the remote key was then lost(I know it is unlikely but..) would I be ok if I only had the non remote clone from the locksmith to get another key cut?

So many questions but hopefully someone can comment!

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 09:13 PM

The car would have come with one remote key and one non remote key.
I personally always keep 3 keys, (2 original kept safe and spare one used daily)
Just means that if i lose or break the spare i always have the original 2 for recoding spares and for possible resale when the time comes.
Most people in the know will walk away from a second hand ford with only one key.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 08:15 AM

Thanks for that. The car came with 2 remote keys but if having one remote and one manual key will do the job it looks like the best/cheapest option.Although I don't want to shell out more money than I need I also want to ensure that I get the right thing.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:59 AM

"Most people in the know will walk away from a second hand ford with only one key."

Sadly I have ballsed up in that department too. I have a 2007 Fiesta TDci, just bought semi privately - home type trader. (dropped a clanger me thinks).

So he tells me he bought it from benfield ford as a part ex just shipped on and he advised me to write to or call the previous owner when I get my log book... unlikely to get an answer but worth a try.

So from reading this post there are conflicting stories on how to get a 2nd working key and key fob or it's not clear if its the replacement for the new folding type or the 3 button type.

Mine is a 3 button type. I can see that I can source a blank key sub £5 on Ebay, get it cut for another fiver and potentially source a fob with working circuit board for £20... what's the next move?- take it to ford, play dumb and just say it's not working anymore or is there a cheaper work around?

Any help appreciated.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 03:50 PM

When I went into my local Timsons they said they would supply a programed key for £110 which confused me even more as the shop is in a shopping centre a long way from the car park!


Timpsons (and most other key cutting palces that offer the service) copy the immobilier code from your old key to a new one. Effectivly you don't need to program the key as the car already knows the code.

Older systems had a preset code that the car looks for, newer systems have a rolling code rather than static, but I don't know which yours has. Someone else may be able to tell.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 06:49 PM

You're better off buying a uncut, new key with an unprogrammed transponder and getting a qualified auto locksmith to do the job.
Timpsons are as much use as a popped balloon.
They only clone the keys, for the key to work flawlessly the key should be paired to the car via the OBDII port.
Ford charge a fair bit for this service plus always add about 3 hours labour when cutting and coding takes 20 minutes max.


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Posted 05 May 2012 - 10:06 AM

In my research I have found a guy on ebay - username cobbler32, he can supply and programme a manual key for £40, all he needs is you to send your key send via secure mail and her will return yours and the new manual key to you via same method next day guaranteed before 1pm...

Will be using his service if the previous owner doesn't have my master key.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 09:37 PM

I only had one 2005 Focus flip 3-button key and needed another. I bought a blank one for £30 on eBay. In Huddersfield, Horatio Nelson Firth (!) in Milnsbridge cut it for £7.50 and The Huddersfield Lock & Key Centre in Paddock (Market Street) programmed the transducer as a new key (not as a clone) to my car via the diagnostics port. Took about 10 mins and cost £40. Hopefully I can now program another key myself in the ignition as I now have two seperate keys. Total cost was £77.50 which was cheaper than the £120 which B&S Locksmiths, a mile away,wanted! (I programmed the remote myself as per the handbook in a few seconds - note: re-program ALL your remotes at the same time NOT just the new one)

EDIT: For "transducer" read "transponder" ;)

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 10:59 PM

On a mk2 focus you can add as many keys to the central locking as you like yourself but Ford removed the ability to add keys to the immobiliser.
All transponder chips will have to be programmed via the OBD port.
Mk1/1.5 no problem, mk2 + no go. Sorry.

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Posted 21 May 2012 - 05:58 PM

Stoney871 is right. Even though I had 2 non-cloned full keys I could not program a third manual (non-remote) key in the ignition lock however hard I tried.

I had to fork out another £40 to have it done via the diagnostics port (5 minutes!) Timpsons "ordinary shop" could not clone it.

There is disagreement on the Internet as to whether DIY programming via the ignition switch is possible. I think that this stems from the fact that before MarkII it was possible and that it STILL seems to be possible on all USA Focuses. My experience on a UK 2005 Focus is that DIY can't be done.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 05:45 PM

I know this is old, I have read all the comments and still am non the wiser.
I have a 2006 (06) Mondeo 1.8 Silver, I bought it with just the Key with the Blue Chip, Which is a pain in the perverbial due to the alarm sounding when opening the doors.
Can I purchase a 3 button Blank key and fob from ebay, and manually programme it to Unlock, immobilise and start the car :unsure:
Ford want approx £240 for everything.
Thanks in advance

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 06:01 PM

Yes and no.
You can buy an uncut key but you need to make sure you get the right transponder chip.
You need one that is definitely listed as a blue one.
As you have only one original key you will need the key coding to your immobiliser by a professional.
Have a search for auto locksmiths and get quotes.
A good one will cut and code to key in about twenty minutes.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 07:50 PM

Thanks very much for the reply Stoney871, I'm just in the process of finding a suitable RCL key/fob, so the actual transponder inside the fob needs to be or have been assocuated to a "Blue Chip" key?
Apologies if i sound thick (I prob am for buying a car with one key) lol

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 08:54 PM

There are two types of transponder chips for the keys, red and blue.
Each one works on a different frequency so you need to ensure that the transponder is definitely a blue version.


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