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#16 Strutter

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Posted 01 February 2011 - 03:48 PM

Yea im saving a while myself, but after having a similar setup in the the mk 6.5 (tho I didnt need to cleansweep the HU as you could easily replace the HU in them), I cant go back to anything else, what ya get in the Fiestas is pretty decent to be fair for a factory fitted system.

THo I also wanted to sound prood the doors and place the tweeter in teh front pillers for better sound again.

Ill say it again..im not saying Pioneers are a total waste of time and money, you should get some better results...what im saying is for the price they ask for everything...theirs much much better ways to invest your money!

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 08:53 AM

I've spoken to a few specialist ICE installers about this.

They recon replacing all the speakers with something of higher quality and sound deading the car a bit more, whilst installing a modest sub under the seat (as I dont want in boot), and an amp should give better sound quality than my last BOSE installation which was pretty darn good.

I shall ask them about what you have mentioned though.

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 10:23 AM

Apparently according to the professionals, you shouldn't require a Cleansweep as the car is not factory amplified.

So no need to spend the cash there.

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 06:10 PM

Thats complete and utter nonsense...jesus you can tell it needs it jsut form turning it up FFS lol!

you shouldn't require a Cleansweep as the car is not factory amplified

Well who ever your "talked" too hasnt got a !Removed! clue..cause it has NOTHING to do with amplification!..nothing at all.

EVERY single stock HU on the market needs a CS installed.

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 06:27 PM

can you fit a sony HU into a car that has the standard HU??

i thought you couldnt as its factory fit and the fascia wouldnt work?

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 06:34 PM

Theirs a few Din slots now available, but its renders the screen useelss etc, ill get ya some links later.

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 11:09 PM

Thats complete and utter nonsense...jesus you can tell it needs it jsut form turning it up FFS lol!

you shouldn't require a Cleansweep as the car is not factory amplified

Well who ever your "talked" too hasnt got a !Removed! clue..cause it has NOTHING to do with amplification!..nothing at all.

EVERY single stock HU on the market needs a CS installed.


I'm gonna research into it a bit more, but I'm probably going to go with that the, company that has a sucessful business based around stereo upgrades probably knows what they're doing.

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 09:30 AM

Apparently according to the professionals, you shouldn't require a Cleansweep as the car is not factory amplified.

So no need to spend the cash there.

Thanks



Thats complete and utter nonsense...jesus you can tell it needs it jsut form turning it up FFS lol!

you shouldn't require a Cleansweep as the car is not factory amplified

Well who ever your "talked" too hasnt got a !Removed! clue..cause it has NOTHING to do with amplification!..nothing at all.

EVERY single stock HU on the market needs a CS installed.



Agree with Strutter there, It requires the cleansweep to remove any of the corrections the stereo makes to the signal, before
amplification, so that you may then connect up amps, and decent speakers post cleansweep.

Looks like an interesting piece of Kit though, but a bit of research needed to find if it does exactly what I need. I don't want to change the factory fitted stereo for losing the controls is a bit of a nightmare, but I could really do with some higher quality sound, my ears are far too used to decent sound..

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 11:43 AM

Agree with Strutter there, It requires the cleansweep to remove any of the corrections the stereo makes to the signal, before
amplification, so that you may then connect up amps, and decent speakers post cleansweep.

Looks like an interesting piece of Kit though, but a bit of research needed to find if it does exactly what I need. I don't want to change the factory fitted stereo for losing the controls is a bit of a nightmare, but I could really do with some higher quality sound, my ears are far too used to decent sound..


The factory fitted controls or bluetooth voice commands etc, none of that is effected, in fact none of that is even touched, the only thing touched is the actuale output from the HU, which is just the speaker cables.

Heres a vid best describing it and hwo it works etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HovE7k0Bcc&feature=related]

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 11:46 AM

I'm gonna research into it a bit more, but I'm probably going to go with that the, company that has a sucessful business based around stereo upgrades probably knows what they're doing.


THey must be ever so good at fitting some 6x9 speakers into parcel shelves.....did they get their traing from Helfords?

I wouldnt take my car there to check my tire pressure!

THe fords Stock HU Equilised band for the poor speakers is really obvious...just open yoru ears!

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 12:17 PM

It all depends on your budget and what you want from the sound in your Fiesta.
I replaced the speakers in mine with higher end Pioneers (not the Ford ones), and spent about the same amount on installation (materials, I did the work myself). Adding some SilentCoat Extra to the door skins; making very stiff mounts for the speakers from ply and ensuring they were firmly secured; adding foam to the backs of the door cards to eliminate rattles and reduce external noise; mounting the tweeters on the dash to get better imaging and equalising path lengths. That's given me a (IMHO) huge improvement in sound quality for about 300. The stock HU isn't bad, but I only listen at modest sound levels (10-12 normally). If you push it further then the amp will start to distort as it's limited by the car voltage level (the main benefit of external amps is they have a step-up transformer). I find some types of music (rock mostly) do show up the limits, and I am tempted to add a small external amp. Probably a Vibe LiteAir as it's small enough to hide away under the dash.
As for multi band equalizers like the CleanSweep or other more sophisticated devices, I'd want to be convinced I could really hear the difference in my car before spending 300.
My advice to the OP is to go in stages, rather than spend a huge amount (1000+) in one go that might not be worth it. The system is a series of modules that can be installed and replaced independently. Unless you're planning to enter a SQ competition, in which case you wouldn't be asking us for advice....

1. The original speakers are poor. Get decent quality speakers and install them properly (sound deadening, etc). Audition them first. Ignore any numbers thrown at you and stay away for cheap nasty brands that look impressive on the display in halfords but are junk.
2. The decent speakers installed properly will have better bass, but if you still find the bass is lacking for your type of music, get a sub. Even the small ones that go under the passenger seat might do it for you. This will address the HU limiting bass at higher volumes.
3. If you listen at high volumes, or you find distortion is a problem add an amp. Again, avoid cheap nasty brands with impressive sounding wattages. You don't need huge amounts of power - it's a car not a stadium.
4. If you still find there are issues with the sound that you can hear above the road/engine noise and you can't dial it out by adjusting the (limited) options on the stereo, then look at a DSP correction unit between the stereo and amp. But I'd only do this after you've checked it out with a laptop running EQ software (e.g. http://www.hometheat...ack.com/roomeq/). And I'd want more than just multi-band EQ if I was spending that kind of money, I'd want full time correction as well.

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 01:01 PM

The factory fitted controls or bluetooth voice commands etc, none of that is effected, in fact none of that is even touched, the only thing touched is the actuale output from the HU, which is just the speaker cables.

Heres a vid best describing it and hwo it works etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HovE7k0Bcc&feature=related]


Cheers fella. I'm aware it doesn't affect, or come anywhere near steering controls etc. That's why im favourign a cleansweep. I'm refering to the cleensweep being right for me, in the manner that what I require, is for a pre amp quality to the same level as a mid range HU, such as a 150 Alpine may provide...

If the research turns up that it can do that, it justifies its 170 price tag (for the JL cleansweep i've seen), as it does what a typical aftermarket HU does, in providing good pre-amp outs to interface with decent amps and speakers.

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 02:42 PM

Ahh sorry dude I thought you might have been asking!
Yes its fair to say it might be worth getting a new HU and theirfore bypassing the need for a CS at all (tho you can get an entry MTX one for about 120 which is good value I feel). but a few things to bare in mind.

THe Din slots I have seen that replace the stock hug so you can fit a standard HU are about 80 - 120 that I have seen!
If you remove the Stock HU, you are removeing all the controls you have in the car, Bluetooth/ voice commands and wheel controls..something I personally do nto want to loose.
As far as I can tell from the circut layouts, the Cruise control on mine would be disabled.

THose are my reasons for the CS...I also would see the CS cheaper and easier to install!..plus I knida like the looks of teh small screen. layout of the HU.

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 02:45 PM

It all depends on your budget and what you want from the sound in your Fiesta.
I replaced the speakers in mine with higher end Pioneers (not the Ford ones), and spent about the same amount on installation (materials, I did the work myself). Adding some SilentCoat Extra to the door skins; making very stiff mounts for the speakers from ply and ensuring they were firmly secured; adding foam to the backs of the door cards to eliminate rattles and reduce external noise; mounting the tweeters on the dash to get better imaging and equalising path lengths. That's given me a (IMHO) huge improvement in sound quality for about 300. The stock HU isn't bad, but I only listen at modest sound levels (10-12 normally). If you push it further then the amp will start to distort as it's limited by the car voltage level (the main benefit of external amps is they have a step-up transformer). I find some types of music (rock mostly) do show up the limits, and I am tempted to add a small external amp. Probably a Vibe LiteAir as it's small enough to hide away under the dash.
As for multi band equalizers like the CleanSweep or other more sophisticated devices, I'd want to be convinced I could really hear the difference in my car before spending 300.
My advice to the OP is to go in stages, rather than spend a huge amount (1000+) in one go that might not be worth it. The system is a series of modules that can be installed and replaced independently. Unless you're planning to enter a SQ competition, in which case you wouldn't be asking us for advice....

1. The original speakers are poor. Get decent quality speakers and install them properly (sound deadening, etc). Audition them first. Ignore any numbers thrown at you and stay away for cheap nasty brands that look impressive on the display in halfords but are junk.
2. The decent speakers installed properly will have better bass, but if you still find the bass is lacking for your type of music, get a sub. Even the small ones that go under the passenger seat might do it for you. This will address the HU limiting bass at higher volumes.
3. If you listen at high volumes, or you find distortion is a problem add an amp. Again, avoid cheap nasty brands with impressive sounding wattages. You don't need huge amounts of power - it's a car not a stadium.
4. If you still find there are issues with the sound that you can hear above the road/engine noise and you can't dial it out by adjusting the (limited) options on the stereo, then look at a DSP correction unit between the stereo and amp. But I'd only do this after you've checked it out with a laptop running EQ software (e.g. http://www.hometheat...ack.com/roomeq/). And I'd want more than just multi-band EQ if I was spending that kind of money, I'd want full time correction as well.



All good advice!..plus shop about the net and you can get some gret offers for teh front speakers (Component 6.5" fit with some adaptors now available) for about 100 price ffrom a good stereo car brand!
Most important thing there is deadening the doors...makes the biggest difference for the Mid-Range sound!

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 07:33 PM

time to scrap the idea i had and look at it all again then by the looks of it aint it!!!!! what speakers brands etc people recommend? i not huge on my car speakers tbh i dont think the brands i use with the dj equip make car speakers lol...


so 1st thing should do is get a decent set of speakers...
sound proof the car up
fit a amp somewhere
sub it up
and look into this CS??

been !Removed! good help all this btw (y)

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