Hi Folks 

is there any seller on eBay that doesn’t require me to send proof ie v5 in order to purchase some plates I’m not keen on posting stuff of to them 

otherwise somewhere in Manchester where I can take them with me 

don’t really want anything other than the kite mark BS thing on them either 

cheers Paul 

Unfortunately it is a legal requirement now to produce proof of ownership of the vehicle (V5 etc) in order to print number plates. Any person or place offering to make number plates without seeing those documents is breaking the law.
This action was taken due to people cloning number plates and producing false plates for illicit activites. 

I know Halfords offer a number plate making service, as do Motorworld stores but you have to produce the V5 document in order for them to verify the vehicle details with DVLA. 

Thanks you’re responce I’ve bought a plate of dvla I’ll take the certificate to a shop I think 👍

The plate needs the selling dealers postcode and the bs mark as a minimum . 

the DVLA will make the plates for you won’t they? They used to, they made mine when I bought my plate. 

There are plenty of places in Manchester that will do it without a log book. It’s not legal but they’re certainly in existence.

There are also people on amazon who will do the same. Still illegal though. 

I’d opt for a local shop, show them your log book, jobs done. 

The matter of bsau compliant plates is a pain to legislate on.

Some of my colleagues turn a blind eye as they reckon that the effort doesn't warrant the results.

I personally pull for dodgy plates as would any Traffic Officer ( mainly because they would nick their own mothers for fun).

The legislation is long winded and a google search would explain it far better than I could here.

If a UK company is willing to produce plates without a V5c then they are definitely breaking the law.

Any ebay trader that does so is most likely working from Jersey or the ROI and not bound by UK law, it's a loophole that can't easily be blocked.

 

It is illegal for an UK based company to sell show plates (basically any plate that is not bsau compliant) but not illegal for you to buy.

Your offence would come if the plate is fitted to your vehicle anywhere other than on private land (petrol station forecourts although private land are not a wise place to have a car with dodgy plates for obvious reasons).

Stick to reputable plate makers that require a V5c and save yourself a lot of hassle. [emoji41]

 

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As long as they're correctly spaced, correct font, reflective and have the post code and BS mark how would you know if the V5 has been checked?

I've bought an awful lot of plates over the years, standard, pressed metal, raised gel, etc.  All look legal and are MOT friendly but have never sent the V5 off for any them.  There are loads of ebay sellers doing it for half the price of Halfords and the like.

Obviously if you're after illegal spacing, tinted plates or silly fonts for road use then that's likely to get you pulled and fined but if they appear legal I don't see how not sending the V5 would ever be detected...  

I have, in the past, turned up outside the parts shop with the very car.

Look here, the car has the rear number missing, fallen off, can I have a new one please?

No problem, here's your plate.

Not quite an answer to the OP's problem though.

ScaniaPBman.

Car cloning is a big thing nowadays especially for nefarious drivers avoiding ANPR, speeding fines, parking / bus lane / congestion & bilking at petrol stations.
If I see a dodgy plate I have to consider many possibilities-
Is the car stolen?
Is the vehicle involved in terrorist acts?
Is the driver banned or the vehicle subject to a prohibition order due to major defects?
Is the driver dealing drugs / stealing fuel / going to rob a house etc?
I know that the perception is that a bit of character spacing being changed is harmless and Police are being petty but in our eyes it could be a ploy to confuse our ANPR cameras and conceal the drivers true intentions.

I pulled a car a few weeks ago that had an altered plate (literally one letter moved across) and my ANPR was not happy at all.
Turns out that the driver was banned, the car was untaxed & uninsured, expired MoT, and a prohibition order due to unsafe brakes, severe structural rust and a major fuel leak.
The car shouldn't have even left the garage as it was a shed.
Driver was arrested and the car taken away and crushed.
It took me 2 1/2 hours to sort out and a Traffic Sergeant had to attend as well.
The driver had 2 kids in the back of what was basically a death trap.

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To be honest if the law was introduced to combat the cloning of plates for illegal purposes it inconveniences the majority of law-abiding motorists whilst signally failing to acheive that objective. As long as there are criminals with the ability to produce compliant plates it's a complete waste of time. I take Clive's point about pulling over people with suspicious or non-compliant ones but that relies on criminals not being clever enough to produce fully compliant ones and it seems to me that is likely to be a minority.

I sometimes see obviously non-compliant plates on vehicles like expensive 4x4's and I'd bet they never get pulled over.

10 minutes ago, Stoney871 said:

Car cloning is a big thing nowadays especially for nefarious drivers avoiding ANPR, speeding fines, parking / bus lane / congestion & bilking at petrol stations.
If I see a dodgy plate I have to consider many possibilities-
Is the car stolen?
Is the vehicle involved in terrorist acts?
Is the driver banned or the vehicle subject to a prohibition order due to major defects?
Is the driver dealing drugs / stealing fuel / going to rob a house etc?
I know that the perception is that a bit of character spacing being changed is harmless and Police are being petty but in our eyes it could be a ploy to confuse our ANPR cameras and conceal the drivers true intentions.

I pulled a car a few weeks ago that had an altered plate (literally one letter moved across) and my ANPR was not happy at all.
Turns out that the driver was banned, the car was untaxed & uninsured, expired MoT, and a prohibition order due to unsafe brakes, severe structural rust and a major fuel leak.
The car shouldn't have even left the garage as it was a shed.
Driver was arrested and the car taken away and crushed.
It took me 2 1/2 hours to sort out and a Traffic Sergeant had to attend as well.
The driver had 2 kids in the back of what was basically a death trap.

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No-ones asking for illegal spacing in this thread though.  The plates you can buy on ebay without the V5 are identical to those bought with the V5, just considerably cheaper.  

Point conceded. However my point is that companies that sell plates without referencing a V5c are also most likely the ones that also provide 'show' plates and thst is where the problem lies.
Like I stated earlier, the legislation is muddled in places and open to 'interpretation'.
If the supplying company isn't insisting on following the legal requirements then they most likely aren't a licenced plate supplier and therefore anything they produce (no matter how identical they are to official plates) are in fact not street legal.
Whether or not a cursory look at such plates picks this up is of no consequence, illegal is illegal - end of.

It is not my intention to come over all preachy or petty here, I just wish to ensure that the legal line is represented.
A few years ago attempts to introduce plates with extra verification was looked into (RFID chips or hologram watermark overlays) however I believe cost was a factor in this not getting past the feasability study stages.

No-ones asking for illegal spacing in this thread though.  The plates you can buy on ebay without the V5 are identical to those bought with the V5, just considerably cheaper.  

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Some eBay sellers will accept a scan of the V5C. I'd send the seller a message before ordering to check if this is acceptable to them.

I have bought plates on ebay without having to provide any documentary evidence, can't remember which seller. I assume that as they send them in the post to your address and you pay by paypal, then in theory there is some traceability to you (as opposed to going into a shop in person and paying by cash).

I believe it is a legal requirement for the plates to have on them the makers name and postcode. The ones I got on ebay did not have that on. What I could not establish who is committing the offence, the maker of the plates or the user of the plates without the name/postcode on.  Does not seem to matter for an MOT though (unless they have sneaked that into the May 2018 new MOT manual- I have not checked).  They did have the BS thing on.

 

 

Demon Plates are "on line":

"In order to comply with UK laws, you’ll need to send crisp pictures of your ID and DVLA-approved documentation to our company via electronic mail. When you do this in short order, you’ll be able to get your number plates as soon as possible. Please consult our list of accepted documents in order to find out what you will need to digitally photograph and email."

http://www.demonplates.com/

 

Irrespective of personally taking the required original documents to, for example, Halfords, IIRC, they should be taking a copy of them for record retention, not just look at them.

 

For further info on Vehicle registration numbers and number plates:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/724689/vehilce-registration-numbers-and_number-plates-inf104.pdf

 

2 hours ago, Stoney871 said:

Car cloning is a big thing nowadays especially for nefarious drivers avoiding ANPR, speeding fines, parking / bus lane / congestion & bilking at petrol stations.
If I see a dodgy plate I have to consider many possibilities-
Is the car stolen?
Is the vehicle involved in terrorist acts?
Is the driver banned or the vehicle subject to a prohibition order due to major defects?
Is the driver dealing drugs / stealing fuel / going to rob a house etc?
I know that the perception is that a bit of character spacing being changed is harmless and Police are being petty but in our eyes it could be a ploy to confuse our ANPR cameras and conceal the drivers true intentions.

I pulled a car a few weeks ago that had an altered plate (literally one letter moved across) and my ANPR was not happy at all.
Turns out that the driver was banned, the car was untaxed & uninsured, expired MoT, and a prohibition order due to unsafe brakes, severe structural rust and a major fuel leak.
The car shouldn't have even left the garage as it was a shed.
Driver was arrested and the car taken away and crushed.
It took me 2 1/2 hours to sort out and a Traffic Sergeant had to attend as well.
The driver had 2 kids in the back of what was basically a death trap.

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To be honest Clive, there are far to many "illegal" plates out there, I wish more of them would get pulled. I got pulled twice by Dyfed Powys police in the early days of having my plates (incorrect Font and spacing) and subsequently had my plates revoked by the DVLA. 

It took my 8 months of pleading and grovelling to the DVLA to get them back, and was told if I was stopped again with illegal plates, I would loose them forever.

Since then, I've compiled with the law regarding my plates, but I get so bitter when I see illegal plates now, I think how is he allowed to get away with it ?

What I could not establish who is committing the offence, the maker of the plates or the user of the plates without the name/postcode on.

The maker is not committing an offence if they are outside the UK.
If they are an UK registered / trading company then they would be committing an offence.
It is not illegal to purchase plates from any source but you commit an offence if they are applied to any vehicle in a public area as the sole mark of registration.

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To be honest Clive, there are far to many "illegal" plates out there, I wish more of them would get pulled. I got pulled twice by Dyfed Powys police in the early days of having my plates (incorrect Font and spacing) and subsequently had my plates revoked by the DVLA. 
It took my 8 months of pleading and grovelling to the DVLA to get them back, and was told if I was stopped again with illegal plates, I would loose them forever.
Since then, I've compiled with the law regarding my plates, but I get so bitter when I see illegal plates now, I think how is he allowed to get away with it ?

It is indeed frustrating, as stated earlier many Officers turn a blind eye as they think it's too minor to waste time on (and it is true that we are stretched thin and continually under pressure to address more 'serious' matters).
As I also stated earlier, it's surprising what a duff plate can lead to when you dig a little further.
I've had good pulls just because some cocky biff has fitted a showplate to his car and it has caught my eye.
A compliant plate wouldn't have drawn my attention at all.
A dodgy plate just screams "pull me over" in my eyes. [emoji848]

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Well I’ve ordered plates from a company on Amazon who have made and posted them within 3 hours without any documentation, just what I wanted I couldn’t find an eBay seller doing this as normally I would buy from Ebay. 

Cheers everybody 👍

I’m thinking of getting new plates, just because they came off my previous car so I’d like a fresh set. Which company did you use, do you have a link to the one on amazon?

Couldn’t see a link but this is the company I’ve later realised I’ve used them before but on eBay maybe they aren’t on there now?