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S Max 1.8 TDCI Will Not Start (2007 done140k miles)

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It had always been a good starter but then started to be more difficult, in both hot and cold conditions. Took to our locally trusted garage, but they could find no problem and it always started for them. They suggested we had not been waiting long enough for coil light on dashboard to go out. Finally it failed while in a Petrol station (engine warm) and had to tow back to base.

I assumed it would start the next day, as it had previously, but will now not start at all. Have tried charging battery overnight and jump starting from my car but no good. It turns over ok and will usually "catch" but then fails to pick up and just dies.

Not sure how to proceed, is it the glow plugs, I have read that there are not really necessary when starting warm or in mild ambient conditions (as we have now). I have measured voltage to glow plugs at startup on main feed wire when disconnected from plugs and reads about 8.5 v. Have tried to measure resistance of plugs but cannot get a reading, how can you test plugs?

Thinking low compression not likely because it has come on quite quickly. 

Note - engine has long standing problem of oil mess on top LH side which i cannot locate, loss of power and smoke when going up hill fully laden and towing small camping trailer. Otherwise runs well around town!

Any ideas or thoughts much appreciated.

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Spent time on internet and the car today.

Puzzled by not getting any resistance reading from glow plugs when in situ, removed them and all showing no continuity from terminal to body. Assume they are failed and ordered new set, cost approx £50. To my knowledge they are originals, so 140K miles old.

I am not convinced this is the root problem because many people say they are not necessary unless starting from very cold but at least fitting a new set would eliminate this as a potential problem.

If this did not solve the problem then air in the fuel seems a likely possibility. When fitting new fuel filters I have terrible trouble starting because of air and have no method of bleeding. Last time had to tow to garage for them to fit and bleed (hope they fitted it correctly). Seems I need some sort of bleed pump to eliminate air, how, what, where? 

Away for the next week min, but will report back when new glow plugs fitted, could be in a few weeks!

 

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Update.

Finally found time to progress with glow plugs.

Removed them all (easy on the 1.8 as positioned in front), tested for continuity and all failed. All covered in carbon.

Ordered new set, tested for continuity and all good (no surprise), fitted them and still no start.

Connected PC with FORScan installed, first time I had used it in earnest so not sure what to look at. Set it up to record fuel pressure while cranking and appears to show pressure initially rising then suddenly dropping to zero, even though cranking still continues.

Trace below shows fuel pressure traces for two attempts at starting, note the pressure drop to zero occurs while still cranking. The engine usually does one "cough" early in cranking.

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At this point I gave up and towed to my trusty garage. They have had it for 2 weeks and said it is not air in fuel and have tried a new cam shaft position sensor but no good and they seem to be giving up so the problem seems to be coming back to me.

I will start another thread now, asking about this particular issue of pressure drop off, with the hope it may attract some more response.

 

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