I'm looking to change tyres on my 2019 Focus Ecoboost and considering 'All Season' tyres. Anybody any experience of these and any recommendations?

For me, I seem to be down to choosing between :-

 

Michelin CrossCimate 2

Pirelli Cinturato All Season SF2

Vector 4Seasons Gen-3

 

The Michelins are most expensive and the Pirelli's are the cheapest for me at the moment.

 

 

https://www.tyrereviews.com/ has a pretty thorough review of all-season tyres. I recently had Cross Climate 2's fitted and so far they feel fine, although obviously not had a chance to test in bad weather yet. On a previous car I had Cross Climate+ fitted, and they worked very well in the snow. My house is awkwardly placed at the top of a hill with a tight right turn, and normal tyres would just sit there spinning in the snow. Cross Climates handled it without any drama. 

27 minutes ago, erictcleric said:

https://www.tyrereviews.com/ has a pretty thorough review of all-season tyres. I recently had Cross Climate 2's fitted and so far they feel fine, although obviously not had a chance to test in bad weather yet. On a previous car I had Cross Climate+ fitted, and they worked very well in the snow. My house is awkwardly placed at the top of a hill with a tight right turn, and normal tyres would just sit there spinning in the snow. Cross Climates handled it without any drama. 

Be interested in your thoughts on the Crossclimate 2s, what size, load rating? I had crossclImate 2s fitted to my fiesta (205 45 17 88V XL, same as stock summer tyres) mid October. I’ve done around 1300miles so far. They came with 7mm which I measured, but in that 1300 mikes the fronts are down to 6.3mm and the rears 6.7mm.

I don’t drive fast, I have a basic fiesta active, it gets used commuting mainly. Pressures are fine and stock, I’m just hoping the top mm of rubber wears quickly before settling in to a more reasonable wear rate.

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215/60 R16 99V. I've probably done less than 400 miles since they were fitted, so a bit early to judge the wear. So far the CC2s are quiet and comfy. Dry handling is good, although since I have an econetic they don't exactly get used for street racing.

Based on my experience with the Cross Climate+ on a previous car I'd say that the all-season tyres lose out a little bit in the warmer months versus a premium summer tyre, but they're perfectly fine for normal driving with the bonus of being able to actually provide traction in winter. Wear rate was reasonable and they still had plenty of tread left after 20,000+ miles. I think the review did mention that the CC2 showed slightly more wear than the CC+, but they seem to retain performance even when the tyre wears. 

49 minutes ago, unofix said:

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No offense, but I try and contribute to these forums with information that might help people make decisions. I know your comment was just tongue in cheek, but I'm keeping track of the wear on my tyres solely because if the CrossClimate 2 in my tyre size in normal every day driving last barely 12 thousand miles, then I'll be happy to let people know not to waste their money and to choose a different tyre. 

In the North American market, the compound/design is set with a 60 thousand mile warranty on the Cross Climate 2 (Michelins artificial/estimated life of a set of rotated tyres was over 67k miles but this is simulated/estimated granted), and whiles not expecting that warranty here (they don't give a mileage warranty on the European ones) I would expect more than 12 thousand miles from them. But then again, maybe they wear faster in the warmer conditions > 10C and when temperatures drop below 10C maybe the wear reduces, or maybe the lower load rating 88 tyres wear faster? Perhaps it's the road surfaces? Maybe the top layers of softer rubber wear much faster, but as the block sizes reduce in height, perhaps they move around less and wear lessens, I have no idea, but the more people gathering data, the better informed we can all become.

It's why I'm keen to monitor the wear, there are very few sources of real world data yet for the wear characteristics of these tyres specifically, and whether I recommend or even replace them in the future with the same tyres depends on the life I get from them. I've had 40-50k+ miles out of summer tyres before, and just fancied trying out all seasons this year due to the snow we often get in the Pennines/Yorkshire Dales etc.

Be interesting to see how the wear turns out. The CC+ seemed to wear a little quicker than a summer tyre, but not by too much - and the wear rate was far better than winter tyres. If we do get snow I think you'll be pleased with how the all-seasons handle. Like most people I used to run summer tyres all year, until a particularly bad winter made me rethink that strategy. After that I used to swap between summer and winter tyres, but the CC+ meant that wasn't necessary.

At the end of the day all-seasons are a bit of a compromise, but personally I think it's a compromise that makes sense for a UK climate.

11 hours ago, Nismex said:

Maybe the top layers of softer rubber wear much faster,

Hello Pete, yes that is indeed true. When tyres are being made they are 'baked' in a mold and for reasons that I don't know why the outer surface of the tyre is slightly softer.

The extremely poor state of UK roads in general and the obsession we have of placing roundabouts every few hundred metres adds considerably  to the speed at which the tyres wear.

I don’t know how long you would expect them to last . I had  a 2007 fiesta 1.6tdci which I did 150k miles in. Using ‘normal’ tyres the fronts would last 25k and the rears 50k. I would expect softer winter rubber to last less but I don’t really know how much less

You could try the autobild tyre tests which shows value for money, a low score on this for the crossclimates because of the wear rate.

I also used to keep records of tyre wear, when I was covering 25k pa. This allowed me to predict when the tyres would need replacing, (and predict when costs were going to arise at a time when this was very important) and also after a year or two whether there was something going wrong with the car's geo settings. I'd replace cars after 5 or 6 years so a lot of interesting info built up!

All seasons wear a lot quicker in the hot summer months, especially over 20 degrees.

I think, for Britain, summer tyres AND winter tyres swap is the best.

Summer tyres are no good below 7 degrees, too hard, no grip

Winter tyres are no good above 15 degrees, too soft, wear too quickly

If you are tempted to purchase some winter wheels/tyres go for the smallest diameter wheel possible for your car with the highest tyre profile, even better in snow then

If you are going to go for All seasons, then Cross Climates are the best I've heard