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Hi all,

No doubt this has been done to death but I was wondering what peoples thoughts are on the Mountune mp135 upgrade kit? I've been considering it a little while now and checked the impact it would have on my insurance (only a one off £35 additional fee to my premium). I'm keen to know if you really honestly feel a good change with the 8% increase in power and 7% torque? Any long term impact on MPG other than the obvious initial point of you wanting to try it and reving away? Any reliability concerns etc?

I would be tempted by other remaps available and offering more power however the voiding of my current warranty puts me off at the moment since I've only had the car 7-8 months, plus probable increase in insurance.

Another query for those who have the remap would be that, do you have to take your car to a registered mountune ford dealer or can it come as a pack that you can connect up to your car yourself? Looking at Mountunes website it suggests both however once installed does the mTune handset have to be attached to the car all the time?

Given that this topic is much like every other I will throw in something different to keep it interesting. I contacted Mountune about other possible remaps for the 125ps models and whether these would retain warranty or what available power outputs they may offer, I got this response as attached.Doc1.pdf

I know this may not be breaking news as it doesn't define power and somebody will no doubt comment that mountune usually makes a Mp and MR option but it does suggest no further MP remaps will be available and in my case this is the only warranty friendly remap option.

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Can't help with this particular map as I have an ST but,

Any ford dealer should be able to fit the filter and upload the map, you can buy the Mtune and do it yourself but, doing it that way may affect the warranty as it won't be recorded on Ford's system. You don't need to have it plugged once loaded, unless you want to look at the gauges, look at fault codes etc. for what you want I wouldn't bother with it and just get the kit from a dealer and save some money.

There are other parts MOUNTUNE make that are ok warranty wise that may add a bit more to the car, airbox, primary and secondary intake hises, boost hoses and Intercooler.

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Cool thanks Mark,

I'm aware of other performance upgrades and my £35 premium increase includes a quote for changing the airbox and hoses. I probably should have made that more clear sorry.

I did notice that doing it with a garage is cheaper however given how much i work at the moment and dependant on my car to get to work it would be more beneficial for me to do it myself in my free time (probably at the weekend or weekday evening).

Can you not register the mTune devices so that Ford then knows if you have installed the calibration, which calibration you have and latest update?

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When Mountune were fitting the 215 at ford fair last year they used the MTune, apparently they were updating the info to ford's system, wether they would allow that without ever seeing the car I don't know.

The map is already on ford's system so it's just done as an update, aslong as their hardware is upto date it shouldn't take more than half an hour to to the upgrade.

£35 not bad to add that amount of kit.

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Interesting, Yeah was quite chuffed with the quote however it doesn't state what my insurance cost will be next year so they may bump it up but it will be just below £400 this year if i include that £35 charge for the modifications + business use + additional personal injury + standard use for commuting etc doing 10,000 miles a year plus 1000 or maybe 2000 business miles (cant quite remember). Eitherway i cant complain about insurance for being 22.

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You're really gonna notice 8% more poke (along with the inevitable engine wear) ?

Gerroff with ya, when will/can you use it?

Complete waste of time IMHO although speedster Mark will know with his 180 ;)

Sorry Mark :D You know I love you really.

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I had the MP135 and can say I won't be getting it on my new car. Superchips for me this time round. Sod the warranty ;)

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Thanks for the comments guys. You make a good point winemart2, it will be interesting to see how all these ecoboost engines age as they must have to deal with a higher rate of wear (especially if modifications are used).

Willy, would you say you didn't like the mountune remap or simply that you wanted more power or both?

I would argue that being up in Scotland, there are plenty of roads where you could have the space to notice it however at no real point when i've been running up and down B or A country roads in the car in its current state have i really needed more power. I would say if i look back to when buying the car i could have been convinced to have bought a nearly new ST for the same money and probably would still be seeking more power as you seem to just get used to it.

In an ST though i would no doubt be that much closer to just getting myself into trouble on main roads and wrapping it round a tree on the occasional drives up to the highlands haha so i don't think i will bother with the remap.

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A stage 1 map isn't going to cause any excess wear to the engine or turn the car into a undrivable monster. The MP135 will just add a bit extra torque and make the car a bit more lively, and keeps the warranty.

The MP215 for the ST only adds 7.5% power and about 10% torque but you can notice the difference.

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Just want more power / torque. When I had the Mountune map done I found it hard to notice the difference. Had no problems with the map but can't justify the cost for very little gain. I'm going to Superchips this time round.

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Am not sure about wear and tear as Ford have done a 170ps rally version of the 1litre http://www.carscoops.com/2015/03/ford-fiesta-r2-rally-car-gets-170ps-10l.html?m=1

But a live in Scotland am getting superchips (when my other half has stopped spending my money) as mountune are only clinging on to the fact they have warranty but it is a good we boost if you want to keep warranty but superchips look best to me puma speed is a good shout too especially for the 100ps model

What put me off was price of mountune for little gain

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I totally agree that the mountune price isn't particularly appealing compared to superchips. I would also take caution in saying that increasing the output of an engine isn't going to increase wear and tear even if it is as minor as a stage 1 map which the car can definitely deal with. My concern is that obviously the engine only produces its peak figures on the overboost and by increasing this overboost output will inherently increase wear.

Paramaniac, did you have the MP135?

I think what i should really be concerned about is how long i plan on having the car, if i keep it 5+ years then i want to avoid any future issues, if i only keep it 3 years or so then who cares what probably minor long term affects this may have on the car. Also my initial question was to have some increase in performance without affecting my warranty and i could sell the car as a MP135 model. With using superchips or similar has anyone had any issues or know of any when it came to selling the car with this modification as this is where i see a potential issue.

Out of curiosity can you remove the superchips map?

I wouldn't be keen on comparing to a rally car either, no doubt 170PS out of the 1L is easily done but these rally guys will be doing an engine change and other alterations far sooner than i would ever plan to (probably to maintain peak performance but also to avoid the threat of unreliability).

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I had the MP135 only because I had issues with superchips / bluefin map on a 1 year old car. Superchips couldn't resolve my issue so I just took the map off and returned the car to stock. Mountune was my next port of call and had no issues with there map but didn't notice much difference. When I traded the car I had to leave the MP135 on the car as it was permanent where as Superchips can be removed and transfered to another similar car.

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Any experience about that pumaspeed map for 100hp powershift models?

I send them a email, asking about the tune alternating the powershift program, but no reply.

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I had the MP135 only because I had issues with superchips / bluefin map on a 1 year old car. Superchips couldn't resolve my issue so I just took the map off and returned the car to stock. Mountune was my next port of call and had no issues with there map but didn't notice much difference. When I traded the car I had to leave the MP135 on the car as it was permanent where as Superchips can be removed and transfered to another similar car.

Thanks Willy that answers my concern then. Would you say there was any significant impact on mpg while at standard, MP135 and superchip mapping? Last thing i need is spending even more at the petrol station.

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Thanks Willy that answers my concern then. Would you say there was any significant impact on mpg while at standard, MP135 and superchip mapping? Last thing i need is spending even more at the petrol station.

willy got bombarded with these questions from me a while ago (i didnt get mountune because of the not much gain and cost ) but did ask willy loads haha

his mpg didnt change much if a remember lol and people using super chips saying only a loss of about 2mpg (thats if using turbo all the time) but just drive slower and make it back up

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I'm obviously too thick to understand but, why increase the performance then drive slower to recoup any loss in mpg?

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I'm obviously too thick to understand but, why increase the performance then drive slower to recoup any loss in mpg?

Just depends what you are doing really. I don't want the remap to have any significant impact on my daily commute fuel consumption but i also want the performance increase for when i can use it i.e. weekend driving in the country needing to overtake someone holding you up safely.

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Just depends what you are doing really. I don't want the remap to have any significant impact on my daily commute fuel consumption but i also want the performance increase for when i can use it i.e. weekend driving in the country needing to overtake someone holding you up safely.

Yeah exactly a don't want to be burning petrol like mad when going down a motorway when not overtaking someone haha I want to burn it at my time lol

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Well why not buy an ST like Mark in the first place?

He pootles but the go pedal works when he wants it.

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Well why not buy an ST like Mark in the first place?

He pootles but the go pedal works when he wants it.

Running costs.

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When I remapped my tdci (obviously slightly different to a turbo petrol) I found my mpg increased by around 4mpg iirc driving the same style.. I also found the boost kicked in harder and earlier than pre super chip. Well worth it imo!

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Remap doesnt normaly have any effect on part throttle settings, normal driving, . these preset closed loop part of map left alone, only the open loop full throttle has the map adjusted for boost pressure increase ign curve etc with a tweek for transitioning fron part to full throttle

So , mpg no different normal driving

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Well why not buy an ST like Mark in the first place?

He pootles but the go pedal works when he wants it.

Didn't know St's came in 5 Door? :S

but as willy said Running costs

Tax higher .... insurance higher

Price to run higher as well ma mate is getting 31mpg in his St about ma area as of all the hills turns and stop starts because every road has lights or junctions

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