Seems awfully similar to me: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3258950/Bus-crash-Coventry-Sainsbury-s-leaves-two-dead-eight-injured.html

There doesn't seem to be any information out there of what happened exactly, but I'm sure the surviving passengers of the bus will be able to provide that information.

Two people have died so far, a young boy and an elderly woman.

Lets hope there are no more fatalities and that there is a reasonable explaination for why a bus that shouldn't have been going more than 30MPH managed to smash head on into a Sainsbury's store.

Indeed it is very sad that two people have lost their lives and several others injured, but we should be careful not to jump to conclusions until we know more facts.

Out of all the buses and trucks on the road crashes like these are very rare thankfully, however when they happen they cause big news stories.

It is no more or less tragic than anyone who dies in a vehicle related crash which often we don't hear about.

However when an accident with a bus or truck it becomes big news especially after the sad events of the Glasgow bin crash.

Bus and truck drivers are more closely checked than an average car driver, with having to pass a medical before getting their licence, they are trained to drive large vehicles also, if you have anything that can affect your driving then it has to be monitored for example diabetes etc.

Not to mention vehicle tracking devices on most these days, CCTV is also a regular feature these days along with tachographs records. Yes there can always be more done but vehicle safety and public safety have come a long way over the years.

The majority of bus and truck drivers take their job seriously and ensure they are well rested and have no medical conditions that would prevent them from being able to drive.

It could be any number of reasons why this happened from a blackout to a heart attack to a deliberate act from someone who was mentally unstable, we just don't know any facts yet.

The most important thing is to remember their are two families grieving the loss of family members.

My thoughts go out to the people and families of those who died and the people hurt on the bus.

I should add there is also no suggestions yet that speed was a factor in the crash, however for people who don't drive large vehicles they don't understand how much momentum a large vehicle has even travelling at low speeds. You are talking about a bus that probably weighs about 10 ton, it takes a lot to stop 10 tonnes or more.

I should add there is also no suggestions yet that speed was a factor in the crash, however for people who don't drive large vehicles they don't understand how much momentum a large vehicle has even travelling at low speeds. You are talking about a bus that probably weighs about 10 ton, it takes a lot to stop 10 tonnes or more.

Well, there is now:

"Witnesses said the bus was travelling at high speed and appeared to have

accelerated after clipping a number of vehicles and a lamp-post, before

smashing into the front of the supermarket."

(Quote from The Guardian article: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/03/bus-crash-in-coventry-leaves-at-least-three-seriously-injured)

Well, there is now:

"Witnesses said the bus was travelling at high speed and appeared to have

accelerated after clipping a number of vehicles and a lamp-post, before

smashing into the front of the supermarket."

(Quote from The Guardian article: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/03/bus-crash-in-coventry-leaves-at-least-three-seriously-injured)

It looks like that page has already been removed, you should also not always believe what the papers report, it will take the forensics team to work out the vehicle speed and movements and also eyewitness accounts to work out exactly what happened.

It is of course possible that in a blackout type event the driver could have been slumped at the wheel with his foot on the accelerator, or it could have even been a fault with the bus that caused to accelerate. It does not automatically mean it was initially speeding prior to the event happening.

As I said before jumping to conclusions is not good and is what reports by the media often do.

It seems your link was not working, either way if you ask 20 witnesses what happened and what they think the speed was they will give different accounts, someone who does not drive would estimate the speed to be higher most likely, someone who does drive would estimate the speed generally more accurately.

That is why every piece of evidence and everyone who saw it accounts help to give an idea of what happened, not to mention the bus is very likely to be tracked so stagecoach will be able to show the speed of the vehicle prior to the accident and during it.

It will take time for a full account of what happened to become clearer.

Not sure why that link didn't work, the page has not been removed! Here it is again: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/oct/03/bus-crash-in-coventry-leaves-at-least-three-seriously-injured

Standard buses do not have tachographs. But yes, they have to jump through many hoops to be able to drive buses nowadays. I think it was a tragic accident.

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Standard buses do not have tachographs. But yes, they have to jump through many hoops to be able to drive buses nowadays. I think it was a tragic accident.

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Standard buses and Coaches do run on domestic rules but a lot of vehicles that are tacho exempt usually use them to record working and riving time as it is cheap enough and easy to do and gives records that can't be argued with in court or can depending on the case.

Under domestic rules bus drivers do not need to use a tacho legally.

However this always amazes me really, as they are allowed to drive for longer and with less breaks than a truck driver yet they are in charge of carrying many passengers which in itself seems a bit daft as there is the potential to be as many injuries or deaths as there is with a truck involved in a bad crash. Regardless of whether you are driving short periods or longer periods driving can be very mentally exhausting and fatigue can set in especially if you are not well rested, for example burning the candle at both ends.

Hopefully we will have some idea of what happened soon in this case but info is still pretty thin on what actually happened.

I am certainly going down the line of ill health! I recon he id have an episode, with all those roadworks, I doubt he could have deliberately got the speed and driven that way, unless he had an exceptionally severe phsychosis episode....

Just seen a picture of the driver, its fair to say he is no spring chicken! hopefully he pulls through and can give an account... I feel awful for hearing of the little lad who lost his life though, that touches home and brought a tear to my eye...

I am certainly going down the line of ill health! I recon he id have an episode, with all those roadworks, I doubt he could have deliberately got the speed and driven that way, unless he had an exceptionally severe phsychosis episode....

Just seen a picture of the driver, its fair to say he is no spring chicken! hopefully he pulls through and can give an account... I feel awful for hearing of the little lad who lost his life though, that touches home and brought a tear to my eye...

That was my thinking, but apparently we are not allowed to presume anything based on the driver's age... What utter PC crap.

It's based on science. Anyone who says with age, reactions and health dont naturally deteriorates is talking nonsense. Don't get me wrong some old folks like my grandfather are going to outlive me, but even with the best overall health nature takes its course.

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Sorry James, but it's a proven fact that older drivers have diminished physical reaction times & quite possibly diminished eyesight too, due to the ageing process, although in this case the driver would have undergone fairly stringent frequent medicals, anything can happen at any time to someone who outwardly appears physically ok & that includes you & me & every other human being.

At 77 years of age I'm surprised the driver isn't properly retired enjoying their golden years.

This tragedy could be either human error or a failure of the vehicle.

i clearly didnt type that right lol... i need to correct it...

corrected, i did mean to say these things do naturally deteriorate lol...

they recon its going to be months of investigations though :(