A bit surprised, should have done my homework!

[TomsFocus]

(Top tip - Don't Google "Chinese Escort!" )

[DaveT70]

1 minute ago, TomsFocus said:

(Top tip - Don't Google "Chinese Escort!" )

Absolutely  😁

[Botus]

5 hours ago, DaveT70 said:

Erm, no. As I said, At 30 MPH in "D" it's labouring in 5th at 1,000 RPM,

 

its only labouring if you are ALWAYS accelerating....   ford know the engine characteristics, the engine management software, the emissions and the ratios far better than you do... that's why cruise helps... get to speed and maintain it, at lowest possible revs = lower emissions, lower consumption, lower costs, lower wear and tear, lower damaged to the world's resources

[Eric Bloodaxe]

3 hours ago, TomsFocus said:

(Top tip - Don't Google "Chinese Escort!" )

Now you just know everybody will! Interesting, to say the least!😀

[iantt]

I googled Chinese escort and no surprises to be had. Looks a bit like the Mondeo.

[StephenFord]

1 minute ago, iantt said:

I googled Chinese escort and no surprises to be had. Looks a bit like the Mondeo.

 

mmm... I googled too, but I'm afraid the photos I got aren't suitable to be posted on a car forum 🤣

[iantt]

35 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

mmm... I googled too, but I'm afraid the photos I got aren't suitable to be posted on a car forum 🤣

 probably based on your  previous viewing habits and results reflected that for you and Tom. 

😂😂😂😂

[DaveT70]

14 hours ago, Botus said:

its only labouring if you are ALWAYS accelerating....   ford know the engine characteristics, the engine management software, the emissions and the ratios far better than you do... that's why cruise helps... get to speed and maintain it, at lowest possible revs = lower emissions, lower consumption, lower costs, lower wear and tear, lower damaged to the world's resources

I'm not going to get in a row with you about it mate, you don't even own this version of the car with this gearbox.

Many auto gearboxes are very good (All BMW ZFs, even Focus with 6F35) I am on about 1.0 MK3.5 Focus with 6F15.

What you are continually saying about the way to drive autos may be correct in other autos, but not in a MK3.5 1.0 with a 6F15. You can't use cruise around town in stop/start environment, that's just irresponsible and you know that you have to manually accelerate up to 15 MPH before you can reengage anyway.

Any engine is labouring at 1000 RPM whether accelerating or not, but in a turbo car you're not only labouring, you're off boost as well. And anyone knows that labouring is actually more damaging to an engine than sitting at 6000 RPM is

Ford engineers know loads of things about loads of stuff, but unfortunately TVM control costs and what they say is gospel. Read some of the reports about the known issues of the DPS6 before launch, you may understand a bit more then.

[Guy Heaton]

I have the 182 engine with the 8 speed auto.  Yes, on a level road maintaining a steady 30 it will be at 1500 rpm but as soon as the road rises or acceleration is needed it will drop a gear or two.  It never labours the engine.

[DaveT70]

4 hours ago, Guy Heaton said:

I have the 182 engine with the 8 speed auto.  Yes, on a level road maintaining a steady 30 it will be at 1500 rpm but as soon as the road rises or acceleration is needed it will drop a gear or two.  It never labours the engine.

Exactly, and correct. But the 6F15 will drop you into 5th at 30 giving around 1000 RPM, plain daft

[Guy Heaton]

Ah, is the torque converter still locked at that speed?  Some of the old autos would unlock if not applying drive.

[DaveT70]

8 minutes ago, Guy Heaton said:

Ah, is the torque converter still locked at that speed?  Some of the old autos would unlock if not applying drive.

Yes, converter locks as it enters 3rd gear. 1st and 2nd are slip

[Botus]

On 5/11/2021 at 7:25 AM, DaveT70 said:

I'm not going to get in a row with you about it mate, you don't even own this version of the car with this gearbox.

Many auto gearboxes are very good (All BMW ZFs, even Focus with 6F35) I am on about 1.0 MK3.5 Focus with 6F15.

What you are continually saying about the way to drive autos may be correct in other autos, but not in a MK3.5 1.0 with a 6F15. You can't use cruise around town in stop/start environment, that's just irresponsible and you know that you have to manually accelerate up to 15 MPH before you can reengage anyway.

Any engine is labouring at 1000 RPM whether accelerating or not, but in a turbo car you're not only labouring, you're off boost as well. And anyone knows that labouring is actually more damaging to an engine than sitting at 6000 RPM is

Ford engineers know loads of things about loads of stuff, but unfortunately TVM control costs and what they say is gospel. Read some of the reports about the known issues of the DPS6 before launch, you may understand a bit more then.

they have emission regs they are supposed to hit, and getting it as wrong as you find in your car, would infer none would be able to pass the regs, (even if they interpreted the rule book the way VAG, Vauxhall and Merc do) and thus they would never have been able to sell them for use on public roads in Europe. 

And after that key point, if its that horrid to drive for all owner's, usually during its warrantee'd lifetime, a software update would have become available to make it less bad...

[karlbbb]

On 5/11/2021 at 1:21 PM, DaveT70 said:

Yes, converter locks as it enters 3rd gear. 1st and 2nd are slip

Honestly sounds like your box has some issue. On mine (same engine and box) the lockup starts kicking in in second gear. And I have to hit >33mph for it to shift into 5th at which point its just below 1500rpm. If I stick religiously to 30mph (usually have the limiter on all the time these days) then it stays in 4th at 30mph all day long.

[karlbbb]

 

This is my average over the last year. It's almost exclusively town driving, stop start, lots of traffic lights etc. I usually turn off stop-start too, especially over winter when I know I'm stressing the battery with short journeys, heated seats and steering wheel turned on most of the time. Also some time spent queueing and idling at fast food places, hence dropping below 24mpg sometimes. If I have a tank of almost all motorway driving, then I'm getting easily over 40mpg, but haven't had that in a while for obvious reasons.

[DaveT70]

16 hours ago, karlbbb said:

Honestly sounds like your box has some issue. On mine (same engine and box) the lockup starts kicking in in second gear. And I have to hit >33mph for it to shift into 5th at which point its just below 1500rpm. If I stick religiously to 30mph (usually have the limiter on all the time these days) then it stays in 4th at 30mph all day long.

Yeah, it's not brill I know. Had it all checked out though. I think it needs a software update, it is showing on ETIS that it's due one. 

[karlbbb]

2 hours ago, DaveT70 said:

Yeah, it's not brill I know. Had it all checked out though. I think it needs a software update, it is showing on ETIS that it's due one. 

Thought about taking it to an auto specialist to get a full fluid change? How many miles have you got on it now?

[DaveT70]

2 hours ago, karlbbb said:

Thought about taking it to an auto specialist to get a full fluid change? How many miles have you got on it now?

It's only done 12500 miles.

The fluid is fine, we've had it checked

[eastender lee]

Hi All,

Update from this thread then passed to this one.

 

It worked out that my neighbour (who has recently moved in) is a ford mechanic ! (result), anyway, he has since brought home 2 machines and connected them to my car, no faults at all are found, after the first machine was connected and a reboot for the cars computer, my MPG has improved to 22 MPG, now my journeys to work are short, (about a mile and half) so the car will be cold and being an automatic not great MPG can be expected, but even when the car is at running temp and driven around for quite a period of time, it will not go past 22.8 mpg, and thats driving it like a old grandad,  Anyone got any idea what the problem could be? i surely should get better MPG out of a 1 LTR then 22MPG,  I did a run to my daughters which is a 200 mile round trip, (90% motorway)  at a steady 60/70 MPH, and it returned 44.9 MPG, Not sure thats any good, my neighbour says not,  so anyone have any ideas what could be wrong????

Thanks

Lee

[mjt]

23 hours ago, eastender lee said:

I did a run to my daughters which is a 200 mile round trip, (90% motorway)  at a steady 60/70 MPH, and it returned 44.9 MPG, Not sure thats any good, my neighbour says not

That's pretty much the same as I'm getting on our 1L Ecoboost 6-speed manual on a 50-mile run so to get it on an auto I'd say isn't bad.

[eastender lee]

But im only getting 22 MPG around town??  

 

[DaveT70]

21 minutes ago, eastender lee said:

But im only getting 22 MPG around town??  

 

Have you tried running the gearbox in "SPORT" (S) mode?

You didn't send me you VIN so I could see what box you have?

WE have a 2017 1.0 (125) Automatic ST-Line with the 6F15 torque converter gearbox and around town it is woeful, but it is now doing around 28 MPG as we run on 97 RON unleaded (gives a bit more response) and in Sport mode so that it holds the gears a bit longer.

As soon as you can see that you are about to be stuck in Stop/Start traffic for a bit, knock it back into "D" so the stop/start system works as it deactivates in "S" mode.

Also, research on YouTube about cleaning the earthing points 😉