Just failed MOT on a snapped rear spring, though it does not look broken at all - apparently 3" snapped off.  I've felt, and one does appear to have a rough bit at the bottom so its possible (not that I don't trust garages)

Sadly, I was caught napping and MOT expires next week and we're on holiday between now and then.....  Outlook reminder set for future 🙂

I've had to throw it at them to fix @ £95 for the one side as no other way to get car back in time.  My bad.

Anyway, looking for the correct parts in case I was going to DIY and back to the usual issue - parts are listed as generic and not specific to the ST-Line which is 10mm lower.  So half expecting it to come back from the garage lopsided - all they say is "we get the parts the system tells us to get" and they don't know if they are lower.

e.g. Online automotive correcfly identifies car/engine but offers https://www.onlineautomotive.co.uk/car-parts/Ford/Fiesta/1.0L/Petrol/Kilen/Steering-and-Suspension/Coil-Springs/KN53285/1/569 - which is the same spring for all variants - so "clearly" wrong

I can't get any part info out of ETIS

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/coil-springs-10213/ford/fiesta/fiesta-vii/127518-1-0-ecoboost seems to show a "sports suspension" version.

 

But is there a definitive parts guide - as I seem to be going round in circles and can't find OEM part numbers to stat searching on?

2 hours ago, Marmite _Mayhem said:

Sadly, I was caught napping and MOT expires next week

Once you failed your MOT, you lose any remaining time left on your current one and can no longer (legally) drive the car on the road.

Use 7zap for oem part numbers which I'd the same catalogue as original Ford microcat. I'm pretty sure they list the Zetec-S/ST-Line suspension under 'sport suspension'.

33 minutes ago, Luke4efc said:

Once you failed your MOT, you lose any remaining time left on your current one and can no longer (legally) drive the car on the road.

Use 7zap for oem part numbers which I'd the same catalogue as original Ford microcat. I'm pretty sure they list the Zetec-S/ST-Line suspension under 'sport suspension'.

Really?  Never heard of that before unless its a dangerous defect but they'd then tell you?

Matters not to me - car is home now and won't be moved till driving to the garage again.

7zap looks interesting, thanks for that site.  Useful parts diagrams but not overly useful in giving me the part the car actually has - eg car listed as fiesta but not which model - but is deffo a great start!

Aha!

Simiar site to above, but a bit more info

http://ford.catalogs-parts.com/#{client:1;page:part;lang:ru;category:car;catalog:59;param:no;group:0;groupsubgroup:1842;subgroup:16646;subsubgroup:72461}

And confirms 1787715 is the one for the 140ps

Great!  Seems "related" to 7zap too

Thanks for info - it got me there!

Both rear springs on the back should really be changed, not just the one, it's dead easy to do on the Fiesta too.

1 hour ago, Ian Lanc said:

Both rear springs on the back should really be changed, not just the one, it's dead easy to do on the Fiesta too.

Agree, but the garage just doing the one.....  I'd normally want to do in pairs just to keep the same spec!

I think I may well grab a pair and swap them out when its not time critical - we'll see how the car looks/feels when we get it back.  (Its 4yo and 16k - so not exactly heavily used).

Saw a YT on how to do it and it looked easy enough.  Just bad planning and timing on my part this time

14 hours ago, Marmite _Mayhem said:

Saw a YT on how to do it and it looked easy enough.  Just bad planning and timing on my part this time

Isn't YT a great place ? When we changed our springs the car was put on a lift, rear wheels hung right down, springs just pulled out and the new ones pushed in, took less than 10 minutes to do the job, also renewed the anti-squeal bushes at the same time.

20 hours ago, Luke4efc said:

Once you failed your MOT, you lose any remaining time left on your current one and can no longer (legally) drive the car on the road.

100% correct. A fail is a fail, and your car has been found to be defective now and can not be driven on public roads until the fault(s) are repaired and the car retested.

Its also worth noting that driving a car without a current MOT on a public road automatically voids your car insurance, unless the car is been driven to an MOT testing station. An appointment to have the car MOT'd has to been booked in advance so that there is proof that the car is been driven for the purpose of taking it for an MOT.

 

11 hours ago, unofix said:

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Once you failed your MOT, you lose any remaining time left on your current one and can no longer (legally) drive the car on the road.

100% correct. A fail is a fail, and your car has been found to be defective now and can not be driven on public roads until the fault(s) are repaired and the car retested.

Whoa there. It is not 100% correct at all.

Since 2018 there are two categeries of defect that lead to an MOT 'fail' - 'major' and 'dangerous'. You can still drive the car after a failed MOT if it there is time remaining on your previous certificate and there are no 'dangerous' defects recorded. See https://www.gov.uk/getting-an-mot/after-the-test and https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/how-the-new-mot-defect-categories-will-work/ for the rationale behind the 'new' rules.

As for what a broken spring is, that could well be considered just a 'major' failure according to the MOT Manual as per rule 5.3.1(b)(i) (even entirely missing, as per 5.3.1(c)(i), is only a 'major' as long as directional control isn't affected!). For curiosity as it's a moot point now it'd be interesting to know exactly what rule @Marmite _Mayhem's VT30 cited (and it'll automatically make it clear if the vehicle cannot be driven due to its 'dangerous' condition).

Very interesting, I stand corrected. I hadn't realised that the rules of the game had changed. Typical government body with having so many Grey areas. It would be a difficult call on so many possible faults. 

No worries, and in all fairness I'm not at all sure if the 'new' rules have necessarily made things any clearer so it is not at all surprising that even people into cars might not be fully aware, nevermind you're average guy in the street. Perhaps it was better when a fail was indeed a fail, although there ought to be more consistency now as testers just have to pick (and be able to justify) the closest matching text to their observations and the defect levels arising from each are predefined, but there'll always be some level of subjectivity which I don't think you could (or should) fully eliminate in many areas. I've had minor defects come and go between subsequent tests despite me not fixing them and the garage and tester being the same on all occasions!

Thanks.

The fault was down as major.  Literally, car driven home, and left there till today when driven to garage for fix and MOT retest

£92 all in (including retest) which is "acceptable".  The car looks level at the back so looks like they put the correct spring in.  

Will be more vigilant in future!  It wasn't noticeable unless you felt in the bottom mounting bracket where you could feel a bit missing.

Oh well, all fixed. Mot re-tests at the same test location are also free upto a certain period of time. They only re-test the parts or areas that have failed to ensure the corrective work or actions have been carried out.

Some test centres do make it sound like it is them giving a free re-test.

51 minutes ago, Mavroz said:

Oh well, all fixed. Mot re-tests at the same test location are also free upto a certain period of time. They only re-test the parts or areas that have failed to ensure the corrective work or actions have been carried out.

Some test centres do make it sound like it is them giving a free re-test.

There's a list of relatively minor failures that allow you to take the car away and have it retested for free if you return it before the end of the next working day. For all other failures (which would include Marmite's spring) then you have 10 working days to return it and you can be charged a partial retest fee (half the normal fee). In any other circumstances involving you taking the car away a full test fee is due.

Many garages waive their entitlement to charge a partial/full retest fee though as it makes for good customer service.

Can someone please help me in finding IPC module/instrument cluster part number for Ford Ka+ 1.5 TDCi 2019 model.
Thanks in advance

1 hour ago, David-kk said:

Can someone please help me in finding IPC module/instrument cluster part number for Ford Ka+ 1.5 TDCi 2019 model.
Thanks in advance

I suggest you start your own topic instead of bumping an unrelated, 6 week old topic about a completely different car.