I have religiously charged my 6 moths old Kuga and it continually looses electric mileage overnight.    Last Saturday full charge to 32 miles come Sunday down to 23 miles before even starting the car.    I have even had up to 11 miles loss overnight all reported to my Edinburgh Ford dealer who are at a loss as to why this has been happening and who some have agreed “ it shouldn’t have lost so much”

The latest nonsense I have been given it’s due to the cold weather so I guess all those fully electric car owners are down 50 + miles pro-rata overnight?.

 

 

There is some truth in what they say. Lithium Drive batteries have a “Goldilocks” zone in which they operate. About between 5 and 28 degrees c . When outside these temperatures, heating or cooling the batteries uses power from the batteries themselves hence reduced range.

The estimated range is probably taking this into account. Bring on spring

 

The range shouldn't decrease overnight. Have you turned on the scheduled departure feature to warm the cabin? Last time I used this it took at least 6 miles of range off. 

On 2/21/2022 at 11:37 AM, Lawns said:

I guess all those fully electric car owners are down 50 + miles pro-rata overnight?.

Yes !

Cars which are 'All Electric' have battery heaters to maintain the battery temperature above 7C. It is of course a trade off as using the battery to keep the battery warm when not on charge does deplete the battery level.

On good old fashioned traditional Lead Acid car batteries they used to have two ratings on the label (maybe they still do). One was the cranking current at normal temperature (don't know what that is/was) and the other was 'Cold cranking current' which was battery temperature 5C or less.

Yesterday, I brimmed my ancient car with good old fashioned petrol, this morning, it still had a full tank of petrol. Should I be worried that petrol appears to be a more reliable source of energy? 🤣

5 hours ago, StephenFord said:

Yesterday, I brimmed my ancient car with good old fashioned petrol, this morning, it still had a full tank of petrol. Should I be worried that petrol appears to be a more reliable source of energy? 🤣

You should be more worried about someone pinching your fuel if the current climate continues.

2 hours ago, Wino said:

someone pinching your fuel

are you trying to imply that a tank of petrol is worth more that Stephens car ?????? 🤣

7 minutes ago, unofix said:

are trying to imply that a tank of petrol is worth more that Stephens car ?????? 🤣

Sadly, as of last week that is now true! LOL

7 minutes ago, unofix said:

are trying to imply that a tank of petrol is worth more that Stephens car ?????? 🤣

Shhhhhhhhh.........don't let @StephenFord know 😉

Just now, StephenFord said:

Sadly, as of last week that is now true! LOL

Replied at the same time 😂

Ok just for a bit of fun watch this and try not to laugh. Electric cars are the future - the government are sure of it !!

Fast forward to 8 minutes if you want to skip the long intro of minor problems.

 

45 minutes ago, unofix said:

Ok just for a bit of fun watch this and try not to laugh. Electric cars are the future - the government are sure of it !!

 

But you forget, with global 'warming', there will no longer be an issue with cold temperatures! LOL

Though you have hit the nail on the head. The 'government' has intervened, and they know all about the future of cars. Indeed, 20 years ago, they preached that 'diesel' was the future, and they subsidised new car sales, then when critical mass was reached, they doubled the tax on diesel making it more expensive that petrol (previously it was half the price!!).

So, I'm really laughing here, only becasue I'm in the autumn/winter of my life, but once again for you young'uns, just like housing policy, the government has screwed us all 🤣

As your near to meeting the grim reaper. You want to hope he is driving an electric car then you may have a bit longer while he finds somewhere to charge up. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Was just watching the news of those poor Ukraine citizens fleeing literally for their lives in their fleets of cars. Can you imagine the added fear if they had to jump into a battery car? Just reinforces my belief that EVs are nothing more than the 'avocado' for the middle classes, and not really a mode of mass transport for all classes.

There is so much evidence of governments worldwide making poor decisions, it just horrifies me when most of us are so compliant in thinking that their decision to ban the sale of ICE cars is a beneficial one for us all. (By the way, I'm sure you already know that military vehicles are exempt from this ludicrous legislation, that should tell you what government really think of their practicality)

33 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

. (By the way, I'm sure you already know that military vehicles are exempt from this ludicrous legislation, that should tell you what government really think of their practicality)

Even so, I have read that the RAF are looking at electric planes for training purposes.

Got me wondering how the Battle of Britain would have gone if all the electric Spitvolts had still been on charge when the Luftwaffe came over!😀

I can't see many of us in the UK needing to urgently jump in a car to flee conflict.  Not sure that can really be used against the battery car plan as a whole.  You can attach fears on to any situation to make it appear less suitable (and I should know  ).

However, I would definitely say it's a consideration for people living in low lying areas that have to evacuate before floods, or people living in very rural areas with health conditions that couldn't wait for an ambulance for example.

9 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

I can't see many of us in the UK needing to urgently jump in a car to flee conflict.  Not sure that can really be used against the battery car plan as a whole.  You can attach fears on to any situation to make it appear less suitable (and I should know  ).

However, I would definitely say it's a consideration for people living in low lying areas that have to evacuate before floods, or people living in very rural areas with health conditions that couldn't wait for an ambulance for example.

Tom, I was in Belfast on Friday, 21st July 1972. The significance was this became infamously known as 'blo*dy friday' where over 20 bombs were exploded in under 2 hours (9 deaths, 100s injured). I was a child, but will never forget the fear on mum's face as she desperately tried to get us both out of the city, and 5 decades later, it's still a vivid memory. Yes you're right, in the UK right now most will never realise the fear of having to evacuate except under environmental issues as you state.

Still, it underlines the weakness of an emergency evacuation, relying on a vehicle that will still likely be plugged into the mains, and indeed, during a power outage during storms etc, just becomes a large paperweight. There are consequences of relying on such a fragile technology that we haven't even thought of yet, but as Unofix pointed out, the government has thought this all through, as they are the government. and full of intelligent minds 🤣

2 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

Still, it underlines the weakness of an emergency evacuation, relying on a vehicle that will still likely be plugged into the mains, and indeed, during a power outage during storms etc, just becomes a large paperweight. 

Forecourt fuel pumps still need electric as well...  Most people seem to drive ICE cars around on fumes, they would also be out of luck if a storm took out the electric! 

11 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

Forecourt fuel pumps still need electric as well...  Most people seem to drive ICE cars around on fumes, they would also be out of luck if a storm took out the electric! 

Well, I permanently have a gallon tank in the boot, and 20 liters on hand in my garage - maybe it's just me LOL

13 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

Well, I permanently have a gallon tank in the boot, and 20 liters on hand in my garage - maybe it's just me LOL

A gallon of petrol in the boot?  Not sure I'd feel safe with something that volatile in the passenger compartment permanently!   

Just now, TomsFocus said:

A gallon of petrol in the boot?  Not sure I'd feel safe with something that volatile in the passenger compartment permanently!   

Entirely safe, it's in a Paddy Hopkirk 'explosafe' container LOL

16 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

Entirely safe, it's in a Paddy Hopkirk 'explosafe' container LOL

Hmm, I still wouldn't trust it being knocked about in the boot for miles & miles myself!  

1 minute ago, TomsFocus said:

Hmm, I still wouldn't trust it being knocked about in the boot for miles & miles myself!  

LOL, it's really not 'knocked' about, it is securely lodged within a 'carrier' and I've been using it for 40 years, and I haven't blown myself up yet. It is full of extruded aluminum, and even if set alight with a match, would not explode!

49 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

Well, I permanently have a gallon tank in the boot, and 20 liters on hand in my garage - maybe it's just me LOL

Is this gallon of petrol you speak of split into plastic PET bottles with a makeshift wick stuck out of one end 😲😄

1 minute ago, Wino said:

Is this gallon of petrol you speak of split into plastic PET bottles with a makeshift wick stuck out of one end 😲😄

No silly, you should know that you need proper 'glass' bottles for that to work the way you insinuate! 🤣