Mobile Phones - Laws governing there use in the car - Music / SatNav - March 2022

[Jimpster]

Tell her she's the queen and make her sit in the back hahahahahaha

[StephenFord]

39 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

Never been on a plane ...

Wow, I was on my 1st plane aged 4, on way to London to my Uncle's wedding which also coincided with the 1966 world cup final LOL (told you I was old). Have been on 100s of flights since, even flying a small Cessna when a teenager. Can't even imagine, 'never been on a plane'!

[Jimpster]

been on a plane once, Blackpool to isle of man, 66 i was 5

[TomsFocus]

1 hour ago, StephenFord said:

Wow, I was on my 1st plane aged 4, on way to London to my Uncle's wedding which also coincided with the 1966 world cup final LOL (told you I was old). Have been on 100s of flights since, even flying a small Cessna when a teenager. Can't even imagine, 'never been on a plane'!

That's the restrictive reality of MH issues unfortunately.  My parents couldn't afford holidays abroad when I was younger, but I have had the opportunity a few times as an adult.  Only thing stopping me then was my own mind (and the physical symptoms it triggered).  I haven't left East Anglia since 2006.  Can count on two hands the number of times I've even left Suffolk since then.

[Jimpster]

On the news today, an amendment to the RTA, that in a driverless car you can watch tv but not use a mobile phone, WTF are these people real ??????????

[unofix]

5 minutes ago, JImpster said:

you can watch tv but not use a mobile phone, WTF are these people real ??????????

So can you watch TV on your mobile phone ? 🤣

[alexp999]

25 minutes ago, JImpster said:

On the news today, an amendment to the RTA, that in a driverless car you can watch tv but not use a mobile phone, WTF are these people real ??????????

Queue all the stupid people who will turn on lane keep assist and cruise control then start watching TV

[StephenFord]

4 hours ago, JImpster said:

On the news today, an amendment to the RTA, that in a driverless car you can watch tv but not use a mobile phone, WTF are these people real ??????????

Sadly, the morons introducing this have worked from home for over 2 years now, and have lost reality with what it's like to actually drive a car. Still, there may be hope for them returning to proper work as Netflix just announced almost 250,000 have dropped out of their subscription last month!

[Jimpster]

and how many more will go once they clamp down on subscription sharing haha

I dont pay a TV license as i find it offensive, and i dont watch "live" TV

[eddie eastwood]

https://www.theregister.com/2022/04/21/uk_self_driving_highway_code/

British motorists will be allowed to watch TV in self-driving vehicles

Meanwhile, Elon Musk says we need to crack real-world AI to get fully autonomous cars to work

Lindsay Clark Thu 21 Apr 2022 // 08:30 UTC

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The UK government has confirmed planned revisions to the Highway Code to accommodate self-driving vehicles, including allowing drivers to watch TV while an AI takes the wheel.

In a moment history may judge as legislative hubris, the Department for Transport (DfT) said the modifications would include "allowing drivers to view content that is not related to driving on built-in display screens, while the self-driving vehicle is in control."

However, somewhat counterintuitively, the Department added it would "still be illegal to use mobile phones in self-driving mode, given the greater risk they pose in distracting drivers as shown in research."

The government said the proposed adjustments to the Highway Code would clarify drivers' responsibilities in self-driving vehicles.

"The changes to the code will help ensure the first wave of technology will be used safely, explaining clearly that while travelling in self-driving mode, motorists must be ready to resume control in a timely way if they are prompted to – such as when they approach motorway exits," the department said.

Self-driving vehicles, it added, could create around 38,000 new, high-skilled jobs within Britain's industry that would be worth £41.7 billion by 2035.

Meanwhile, the DfT said it is developing a full legal framework for self-driving vehicles to enable the safer and greener movement of people and goods in the UK. The department will also work with industry, regulators, and safety organizations to ensure drivers can access information, including online, to help them use vehicles safely.

While large parts of the M20 have become a lorry park owing to a combination of computer glitches, lack of border staff, and Brexit red tape, the government has launched the new proposals under the heading "Britain moves closer to a self-driving revolution".

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Transport minister Trudy Harrison said: "This is a major milestone in our safe introduction of self-driving vehicles, which will revolutionise the way we travel, making our future journeys greener, safer and more reliable."

Meanwhile, the actual arrival of self-driving cars on the UK roads seems further off following statements from electric vehicle messiah Elon Musk. Despite predicting five years ago that fully self-driving cars were just around the corner, they remain stuck in the garage.

In a recent TED interview, the Tesla CEO explained that full self-driving had been "particularly hard to solve," comparing progress to a logarithmic curve that approaches – but never quite reaches – the line.

"There are just so many false dawns with self-driving, where you think you think you've got a handle on the problem, and then, nope, it turns out you just hit a ceiling," he said.

"In retrospect, [it] seems obvious, but in order to solve full self-driving properly, you actually just have to solve real-world AI."

Musk went on to explain that road networks were designed to work with a "biological neural net" – more commonly known as a human brain, the product of hundreds of millions of years of evolution.

"In order to make [full self-driving] work with computers, you basically need to solve real-world AI and vision," he said.

Musk then told the TED interviewer he is "confident" that Tesla will solve the problem this year, at least to the extent that self-driving cars will cause fewer accidents than the average person. Whether that is acceptable enough for their introduction is another debate.

So if Musk's track record is anything to go by, UK drivers may have to wait years before they can enjoy the season climax of Bridgerton while jammed in a narrow Cornish lane after passing a hand-written sign saying "do not follow your satnav!" at the turn-off. ®

[unofix]

Just a random thought. In self driving vehicles, while the vehicle is, (to use the governments words) "in control" then surely by default no human can be considered the driver. All in the vehicle would surely be considered a passenger and therefore free to use their mobile phone.

Now I know that's not what the idiots who draw up such crazy rules actually mean, but how can you be considered "the driver" when at the same time the government are willing to accept the vehicle is "in control" ?

I look forward to hearing the many interesting defenses "...... well your Honor,  I was just watching last nights episode of Naked Attraction, and was distracted by these huge jelly wobbles when the accident occurred" 🤣

[StephenFord]

5 minutes ago, unofix said:

Now I know that's not what the idiots who draw up such crazy rules actually mean, but how can you be considered "the driver" when at the same time the government are willing to accept the vehicle is "in control" ?

 

[Jimpster]

I think the pertaining part is where the "driver" must be prepared at all times to take control, but if engrossed in a movie or Coronation Street ............