Help, advice please?

[Focus88]

2015 Ford Focus 1.0 Ecoboost 

Yesterday while driving I noticed a loss of power in my car then the oil light and engine light came on and my brakes seized. I had a diagnostic test done today which has thrown off lots of sensors. When I looked online I have discovered there is an outstanding recall for clutch slip detection software which I have never been advised on, could this have caused all of this? The codes still showing are P0015:00-EC P0017:00-EC P0300:00-EC P0015 P0017 and P0300

Thank you in advance 

[unofix]

2 hours ago, Focus88 said:

a loss of power in my car then the oil light and engine light came on

The oil light on the 1.0 Ecoboost engine is also know as "Game Over" possibly a full new engine required.

 

[StephenFord]

55 minutes ago, unofix said:

The oil light on the 1.0 Ecoboost engine is also know as "Game Over" full new engine required.

 

That's a heck of an answer to a very 1st post! LOL You could have broken the news a bit more gently. Any chance of it being anything less terminal? 😁

[unofix]

OK, I'll try again. 🤔

Oh Dear, you have the oil Light problem on an Ecoboost 1.0 everything is not lost !!

One in a hundred engines that have this can sometimes be repaired for a little less than than the cost of a full new engine.

[StephenFord]

8 hours ago, unofix said:

OK, I'll try again. 🤔

Oh Dear, you have the Oil Light problem on an Ecoboost 1.0 everything is not lost !!

One in a hundred engines that have this can sometimes be repaired for a little less than than the cost a full new engine.

You see, how hard was that? 🤣🤣🤣

[TomsFocus]

Those fault codes suggest cam & crank out of sync.  Which suggests snapped wetbelt.  (Although VCT actuators can't operate without good oil pressure).

Sadly, it does look like your engine is toast either way.  But first question, does it still run or has it not started since it cut out?  (The engine cut out is what made the brakes hard due to lack of vacuum pressure, nothing to do with the clutch).

[Focus88]

35 minutes ago, TomsFocus said:

Those fault codes suggest cam & crank out of sync.  Which suggests snapped wetbelt.  (Although VCT actuators can't operate without good oil pressure).

Sadly, it does look like your engine is toast either way.  But first question, does it still run or has it not started since it cut out?  (The engine cut out is what made the brakes hard due to lack of vacuum pressure, nothing to do with the clutch).

It never cut out, just made a hellish noise. It can still drive just dodgy brakes. I had someone look at it who suggested it could very well possibly be the clutch slipped that's knocked everything off and due to the outstanding recall I should contact Ford and try get them to accept liability 

[unofix]

4 minutes ago, Focus88 said:

I should contact Ford and try get them to accept liability 

Good luck with that.

[TomsFocus]

42 minutes ago, Focus88 said:

It never cut out, just made a hellish noise. It can still drive just dodgy brakes. I had someone look at it who suggested it could very well possibly be the clutch slipped that's knocked everything off and due to the outstanding recall I should contact Ford and try get them to accept liability 

Ah, that is interesting.  The vacuum pump must be damaged, to cause the hard brakes.  As that's connected to one of the cams, the cam itself could also be turning too slowly because of the VCT actuator not getting enough oil flow. 

Personally, based on the info we have, I'm going to go with oil pump restriction caused by disintegrating wetbelt.

Clutch slip just makes a horrible smell and stops the engine being able to drive the gearbox/wheels.  It can't really cause engine damage unless it's overheated so badly as to crack the engine block & dump the oil.  

[Focus88]

5 hours ago, TomsFocus said:

Ah, that is interesting.  The vacuum pump must be damaged, to cause the hard brakes.  As that's connected to one of the cams, the cam itself could also be turning too slowly because of the VCT actuator not getting enough oil flow. 

Personally, based on the info we have, I'm going to go with oil pump restriction caused by disintegrating wetbelt.

Clutch slip just makes a horrible smell and stops the engine being able to drive the gearbox/wheels.  It can't really cause engine damage unless it's overheated so badly as to crack the engine block & dump the oil.  

I've managed to get a Ford specialist to look at it and this is pretty much it. The wetbelt is blocking the oil pump.

[StephenFord]

5 hours ago, TomsFocus said:

Personally, based on the info we have, I'm going to go with oil pump restriction caused by disintegrating wetbelt.

 

2 minutes ago, Focus88 said:

I've managed to get a Ford specialist to look at it and this is pretty much it. The wetbelt is blocking the oil pump.

Crikey Tom, those tea leaves are certainly working! 😂

[unofix]

9 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

Crikey Tom, those tea leaves are certainly working!

That's what the problem is !

Ford have fitted a Tea Strainer instead of an oil Strainer. No wonder they get blocked up 😧

[TomsFocus]

1 hour ago, Focus88 said:

I've managed to get a Ford specialist to look at it and this is pretty much it. The wetbelt is blocking the oil pump.

Thanks for the quick confirmation.  Sadly all too common with these now.

Have they given you a quote for repair?  Or are you going to cut losses and change car?

[Botus]

they've designed in so many opportunities to sell you a new car - its an unpleasant introduction to how sick the world is

if the oil change hadn't been left so long - they'd have got you with a cyl head that cracks and losses all your water, or a turbo that self destructs and takes things out...

 

[Focus88]

2 hours ago, TomsFocus said:

Thanks for the quick confirmation.  Sadly all too common with these now.

Have they given you a quote for repair?  Or are you going to cut losses and change car?

No they can't fit me in to a dealership anywhere for 3 weeks, so my options are wait and either pay through the nose and hope Ford cover some of the loss (apparently my engine is one of the ones still under warranty for the degas hose), get a 2nd hand engine fitted or trade in. Either way I'm out of pocket £1500

I think we're just going to trade in and cut our losses to be honest 

[Botus]

if its covered at all wait and see what they say - a car with no engine is worth about 10p ?

[TomsFocus]

Just now, Botus said:

if its covered at all wait and see what they say - a car with no engine is worth about 10p ?

After Sarah's recent thread...paying Ford for a new engine (followed by vac pump or turbo or anything else) might be uneconomical even if they offer a goodwill gesture. 

In hindsight, I'm not sure she took the best option and would be cautious advising others to do the same now.  I think a used engine at an indy garage would have been more financially viable.  We couldn't have predicted that beforehand though.

Also worth noting that in this particular case, the engine fault was not caused by coolant loss or overheating, which is what the degas warranty covers.

[unofix]

1 hour ago, Botus said:

a car with no engine is worth about 10p ?

Super, I love an auction !

I bid 20p 👍

[iantt]

2 minutes ago, unofix said:

Super, I love an auction !

I bid 20p 👍

I bid 30p. Hang on, what am I bidding on? 

I see, I bid 30p not to have it. 

[StephenFord]

6 minutes ago, iantt said:

I bid 30p. Hang on, what am I bidding on? 

I see, I bid 30p not to have it. 

Hey, pay attention to the small print! Engine may only be 30p, but postage is £500 LOL🤣

[iantt]

6 minutes ago, StephenFord said:

Hey, pay attention to the small print! Engine may only be 30p, but postage is £500 LOL🤣

Pay attention, we are bidding on the whole car. And 30p so I don't have it. 

1 hour ago, Botus said:

- a car with no engine is worth about 10p ?

 

[unofix]

3 hours ago, StephenFord said:

Engine may only be 30p, but postage is £500

Engine can be 'flat packed' to reduce postage, if it's not already in a thousand bits 🤣

I'd like to bid 40p 😉

[Focus88]

On 7/27/2022 at 5:13 PM, TomsFocus said:

After Sarah's recent thread...paying Ford for a new engine (followed by vac pump or turbo or anything else) might be uneconomical even if they offer a goodwill gesture. 

In hindsight, I'm not sure she took the best option and would be cautious advising others to do the same now.  I think a used engine at an indy garage would have been more financially viable.  We couldn't have predicted that beforehand though.

Also worth noting that in this particular case, the engine fault was not caused by coolant loss or overheating, which is what the degas warranty covers.

Luckily because it was still running and I couldn't get it I'm to a ford garage for weeks I was accepted for a trade in 🙌 covered my finance and a profit left over. I declared everything I could and they were fine with it