Got a 2019 grand tourneo connect, want to take the 3rd row of seats out instead of laying flat, but you have to disconnect the seat belt warning cable that tells the driver someone is sitting in the seats but not buckled up.

Does anyone know if there's any way of turning that off or preferably can you plug something in to the connectors to make it think the seats are still fixed in place and wired up? 

Without taking/breaking the seats apart, I don't know what's actually wired in at the sensor end. 🤷

34 minutes ago, El Spavo said:

want to take the 3rd row of seats out instead of laying flat, but you have to disconnect the seat belt warning cable that tells the driver someone is sitting in the seats but not buckled up.

Does anyone know if there's any way of turning that off or preferably can you plug something in to the connectors to make it think the seats are still fixed in place and wired up? 

Without taking/breaking the seats apart, I don't know what's actually wired in at the sensor end.

Removing seats and disconnecting seatbelt warning sensors will invalidate your vehicles insurance unless you get written permission from the insurer and can provide them with the necessary information to show that the safety restraint system has not been compromised. If the vehicles seatbelt warning system is not fully operational then the car will fail the MOT when next tested.

12 minutes ago, LostinTransit said:

Again, UK might have different rules

I thought you were ignoring me ? 🤣

You seem to be missing the point that this is the UK Ford Owners Club, not the North American FOC. By all means join in, you certainly don't need my permission. Only do bear in mind that as you have already acknowledged the specifications can and do make a difference on the information.

37 minutes ago, unofix said:

Removing seats and disconnecting seatbelt warning sensors will invalidate your vehicles insurance unless you get written permission from the insurer and can provide them with the necessary information to show that the safety restraint system has not been compromised. If the vehicles seatbelt warning system is not fully operational then the car will fail the MOT when next tested.

Ah, interesting. Dunno about the insurance, but my mechanic says it won't affect the mot. 

My limited understanding of what is needed for the mot side at least is that a seatbelt needs to work if fitted at time of testing. The official book states:

A belt fitted with no corresponding seat will not be inspected.

A buckle or stalk with no corresponding belt will not be inspected.

And I read that as it doesn't matter, cos there's no corresponding seat 

 

Insurance might be another matter though. Bloke on a different site I chat on said he did it and put it as a modification with his insurers and they were cool with it. 

10 minutes ago, El Spavo said:

My limited understanding of what is needed for the mot side at least is that a seatbelt needs to work if fitted at time of testing. The official book states:

A belt fitted with no corresponding seat will not be inspected.

A buckle or stalk with no corresponding belt will not be inspected.

And I read that as it doesn't matter, cos there's no corresponding seat 

Yes that's correct. The problem that may occur is if removing seat or the seat belts causes the SRS failure light to come on. Normally when you turn the ignition on, the SRS (or seat belt light as we generally call it) will illuminate for a few seconds while it does a self test of the system and then go out if all is OK. It is now part of the MOT that the light is checked and that it must go out to show everything is working.

I'm not saying that it will be a problem, only that it could be, and if the SRS light is on then the car will fail when checked at it's next MOT. There maybe options available using FORScan to configure the vehicle as if it was a Transit Connect, rather than a Tourneo Connect.

 

Ah, gotcha. Well in that respect it's fine then as I took one out the other day and the srs light didn't come on, it was just the big on screen warning alert saying there was a fault or malfunction. I could press OK and clear it, but doing that every time would be a PITA for me so I bolted and plugged it back in, and it went back to normal. 

I would be surprised if any of the seats other than the front passenger one has an Occupant Load Sensor. The Buckles will have Sensors.

Parts of the Wiring Loom may be clipped to the Base though.

FORScan will turn it off

2 hours ago, Tizer said:

I would be surprised if any of the seats other than the front passenger one has an Occupant Load Sensor. The Buckles will have Sensors.

Parts of the Wiring Loom may be clipped to the Base though.

Yup, bang on. Just seen some pics from a bloke who has done this,... unbolted the seatbelt buckle, moved the wires from under the carpet to the cubby hole pockets either side, and replugged the buckle connector in so the car doesn't freak out. 

 

53 minutes ago, LostinTransit said:

There are no sensors attached to the second or third row seats as the sensors are mounted to the side walls behind the moldings

Disregard the red box as this is where the second row seats belt was mounted and which I removed and added a spare tire mount. But as you can see by all the wiring.. the sensors are mounted along this steel side wall and not in the seats themselves.

So what's it sensing then, as above, some guys have done this and all works fine... What are those side wall mounted sensors checking for?